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GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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To me, it looks like the leading labs are investing more and more to improve their frontier models, and are being forced to charge less and less for them due to competitive pressure.

Maybe I'm wrong, but "reasoning as a service" is looking more and more like a... commodity.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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post #322

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You do not have a ZDR with Anthropic. For Mythos and even Fable they require prompt retention on their end. edit: or more precisely if you want to access Mythos/Fable ZDR does not apply, and depending on config the exclusion can affect other models.

I don't have experience directly with Anthropic, but I wouldn't assume anything with such high confidence without knowing the persons situation. No, an individual off the street or with an LLC and 5 employees isn't going to get a special deal from someone like Anthropic. But if their employer is bringing millions of dollars of potential spend to the table, can tell you from years of experience that turns a lot of 'no…

I use Notion Enterprise specifically for its Zero Data Retention (ZDR) access. Fable does not offer ZDR, so Notion provides a dedicated settings toggle that disables Fable outright.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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After using Claude for a long time, I tested Sol 5.6 for the first time today. Love it, its an incredibly capable model and uses far fewer tokens/time thinking. Its what I imagine Fable would be if I haven't been downgraded on every conversation - even after completing the verification program. I think I may cancel my Claude subscription finally.

Fable is the only one that follows my instructions correctly, which I find quite important. It takes STYLE.md and SPEC.md as law, and code just like I would code, with the same mistakes and all.

I just can't get Opus (Opus 5 is dumb as a rock, to be fair) or Sol to do that, so I exclusively use Fable for personal work. When I reach my weekly limit, usually on the last day close to the reset, I just go back to coding by hand ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Heck, it even does security reviews and fixes, as long as I don't ask it to "attack" the codebase. I'm planning on using Kimi or GLM for that part.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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You would probably get better results with Luna for the real simple tasks, or Sol with low thinking effort. I find that I get exactly the effort that I asked for, which is pretty nice. The other side of that coin is that these are the least lazy models I’ve used so far. They will go on elaborate tangents to complete the task when I want them to.

any good best practice for effort selection on claude. I always use high as default.

Opus 4.8 on Low is similar in price and quality to Sonnet 5 on High, but much faster.

But otherwise I don’t use Claude anymore.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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post #183

This sure looks like a race to the bottom to me, and I love it. If Sol isn't the best model, it is up there... You don't cut the price of the best model for no reason...

> This sure looks like a race to the bottom Always has been. My prediction is that both OpenAI and Claude will go bust unless they deliver a killer product. And unlike scrappy startups, they have a pretty serious deadline because creditors will come a-knockin'. There's little to no functional difference between Kimi, Qwen, Sol, Opus, etc. All flagship models are within like 1-5% of each other and the real moat will b…

Compute is the moat.

The Chinese models are cheap because no one is using them. But they can't actually afford (or have capacity) to serve enough people to kill the giants. This is evidenced by them all recently hiking prices or limiting usage.

It's possible that they build out in China at an unreal pace, China doesn't have concept of "community input" to drag down state projects, but then you are left giving your IP to China. Just ask western hardware businesses how well that goes.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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post #183

This sure looks like a race to the bottom to me, and I love it. If Sol isn't the best model, it is up there... You don't cut the price of the best model for no reason...

> This sure looks like a race to the bottom Always has been. My prediction is that both OpenAI and Claude will go bust unless they deliver a killer product. And unlike scrappy startups, they have a pretty serious deadline because creditors will come a-knockin'. There's little to no functional difference between Kimi, Qwen, Sol, Opus, etc. All flagship models are within like 1-5% of each other and the real moat will b…

It's hard for me to imagine how you could define "killer product" to exclude something that takes you from $9B to $65B ARR in 8 months.

https://epoch.ai/data/ai-companies?view=graph&tab=revenue

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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post #317

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I used Sol to extract the remaining decryption keys from the Super Mario Maker 2 (Switch) game files. Someone had previously extracted all the keys from the original release, but not any of the new ones from updates. Not only did it succeed, but it helped me understand the data sufficiently to add support for “Super World” rendering to my level viewer (which I made back in 2021), eg the little widget at the top of ht…

Interesting. I've been wishing that old 'Stars!' game from the 90s would play easily on modern systems. I'd love it if we'd got to the point where I could point Codex at a folder with an ISO from my CD of the game and tell it to go reverse engineer it all for understanding of game mechanics, then go recreate it in a modern language capable of running cross-platform. Scarcely any need to improve on graphics, it could…

Stars! was awesome, many fond memories of play-by-email games of that...

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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post #74

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Because API pricing is for corporations and subscriptions are for consumers.

Are we supposed to just shrug at the idea of businesses paying 10x more for raw materials than consumers? How long can this go on?

I mean this is kind of standard in a lot of industries? Businesses get reliability/support usually for the price increase. Just look at lots of industrial tech. Or business vs consumer 3D printers, or business vs consumer laptops etc....
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