Of course everyone hates AI. For most people, it's actively making their lives worse, not better. AI is a really effective technology when used with restraint, in appropriate places. But it's rarely being used with restraint, and it's being inserted just about everywhere. If you're trying to work in AI on a product related to education, you've got a really high bar to clear to prove that you're actually helping stude…
Most people I know that hate AI have faulty versions (1 year behind the frontier) pushed on them at their jobs. People who are free to experiment with frontier models capabilities at their own pace mostly love it or at least are impressed by its capability.
My friends all hate AI; I just joined an AI startup
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Re: My friends all hate AI; I just joined an AI startup
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Creating the card is half the learning
Typing out in an app window is not enjoyable. Maintaining physical ones is not practical anymore - with travels and all.
Re: My friends all hate AI; I just joined an AI startup
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> you've got a really high bar to clear to prove that you're actually helping students learn better, and teachers teach better Absolutely. In fact the data from the past 10-15 years clearly shows the best education technology is still pen and paper, books, and good pedagogy.
Yep... pen, paper, books and a good teacher are annoyingly hard to beat because they force the student to actually do the cognitive work
One to one teaching and self teaching are much better than a good teacher in a class though.
Technology can be very useful - research, resources, ebooks, visualisations, interactivity etc.
Re: My friends all hate AI; I just joined an AI startup
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It's worth noting that China has seen decades of steady development, and has avoided the boom/bust cycles we see happening in the west. While we've lived through dotCom bubble, the 2008 crash, covid, and now the looming AI bubble, China has just seen steady progress without the working majority getting screwed every decade like clockwork. While future can always bring something unexpected, it is possible to have a re…
Um, I do kinda remember hills made from bikes, empty cities, people laying a siege on failing banks & protests in Honkong being suppressed...
The protests in HK weren't due to failing economic conditions either. And having been to HK recently, I can tell you it's far more developed than it was before being repatriated.
China obviously has problems like any human society, and it's far from perfect. However, they demonstrably have not had the kinds of economic crashes we have in the west and the standard of living keeps rising steadily. And here are some numbers to put things in perspective.
90% of families in the country own their home giving China one of the highest home ownership rates in the world. What’s more is that 80% of these homes are owned outright, without mortgages or any other leans. https://www.forbes.com/sites/wadeshepard/2016/03/30/how-peop...
Chinese household savings hit another record high in 2024 https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-dow-jone...
Social mobility in China being far better than in the US https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/18/world/asia/ch...
The typical Chinese adult is now richer than the typical European adult https://www.businessinsider.com/typical-chinese-adult-now-ri...
The real (inflation-adjusted) incomes of the poorest half of the Chinese population increased by more than four hundred percent from 1978 to 2015, while real incomes of the poorest half of the US population actually declined during the same time period. https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w23119/w231...
From 2010 to 2019 (the most recent period for which uninterrupted data is available), the income of the poorest 20% in China increased even as a share of total income. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.DST.FRST.20?end=2019...
Re: My friends all hate AI; I just joined an AI startup
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It's made my life way better. I love it, it's incredible boost on my ability to learn and produce. Don't know anyone who's life was made worse by it, and I strongly doubt you do either. Remember when people said open-sourcing GPT2 would cause world destruction? They keep saying this with every new model release? And it keeps not happening? Hmm. This is all FUD. All evidence suggests more AI is better, and all claims…
Are you living with your head under a rock. AI has absolutely made my life worse, and is set to do so further. I know very few people who are seriously enthusiastic about it. "All evidence suggests more AI is better" is ignoring an awful lot of the evidence, and the doom is already happening all around you and you just can't see it.
I think pessimism clouds your judgment and AI is the scapegoat. Doomerism is just yet another dogmatic religion predicting ends times, with all the usual associated dogma.
What you imagine is what you manifest. Better to be optimistic and wrong then pessimistic and right.
Better to envision a positive future and help make it happen; ignore the doomers who can only envision destruction, as that is all they are capable of.
Re: My friends all hate AI; I just joined an AI startup
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It's made my life way better. I love it, it's incredible boost on my ability to learn and produce. Don't know anyone who's life was made worse by it, and I strongly doubt you do either. Remember when people said open-sourcing GPT2 would cause world destruction? They keep saying this with every new model release? And it keeps not happening? Hmm. This is all FUD. All evidence suggests more AI is better, and all claims…
> Don't know anyone who's life was made worse by it, and I strongly doubt you do either. Have you tried using a search engine lately, or visiting a social media platform, or buying a computer/smartphone?
Re: My friends all hate AI; I just joined an AI startup
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It's made my life way better. I love it, it's incredible boost on my ability to learn and produce. Don't know anyone who's life was made worse by it, and I strongly doubt you do either. Remember when people said open-sourcing GPT2 would cause world destruction? They keep saying this with every new model release? And it keeps not happening? Hmm. This is all FUD. All evidence suggests more AI is better, and all claims…
> Don't know anyone who's life was made worse by it, and I strongly doubt you do either. I do: students who use it to do their thinking for them. And everyone who uses it to do their thinking for them, for that matter.
It’s a tool like any other. If that’s how they use it, those students weren’t doing much thinking before either.
Re: My friends all hate AI; I just joined an AI startup
#188AI is awesome as a consumer. You can just build whatever bespoke thing you want. It can walk you through a myriad of home improvement projects.
> AI is awesome as a consumer. You can just build whatever bespoke thing you want. It can walk you through a myriad of home improvement projects. I hear AI is especially awesome in domains you personally don't understand.
(And I only reached for the LLM after working through all the flowcharts and tables in the shop manual, reading relevant parts of two engine repair books, and watching a bunch of youtube videos.)
It's especially awesome in domains where:
1. you personally don't have the time to learn,
2. you can trivially evaluate the output ("does engine go brrrrrr or brr-splaugh-crunch"), and
3. there are no bad outcomes; or, there are bad outcomes (destroy engine, hurt myself) but you can augment with ground-truth ("do X as suggested by nlp machine but follow shop manual for doing X").
It was a 3B or 8B model too, so I probably burned more energy on unnecessary oil changes than on running the llm inference.
Say what you will about LLMs, and dear god can the claude-style harness outputs be annoying in the workplace. But they're great tools for accelerating the sorts of ultra-narrow-path learning curves that commonly pop up in tinkering/hacking/similar sorts of activities.
(Also, people without critical thinking skills believing everything they read pre-dates LLMs by thousands of years. This was a widely discussed problem with popular media consumption in the USA during the several years preceding the invention and popularization of LLMs (say 2015 to 2021). There's a different, more fundamental educational diagnosis for that problem, which LLMs may exacerbate, but which they did not cause and cannot cure.)
Re: My friends all hate AI; I just joined an AI startup
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Most people I know that hate AI have faulty versions (1 year behind the frontier) pushed on them at their jobs. People who are free to experiment with frontier models capabilities at their own pace mostly love it or at least are impressed by its capability.
This sounds like some variation of correlation // causation. The people that already like working with (or are addicted to) LLMs would look to try the frontier models on their own time.
In few days she created an already useful app for writing for herself with zero assistance from me. And she's delighted with the process, even seeing its flaws (as mucb as non-programmer can see them).
The thing is, she's very intelligent, even though only mildly technical. She's very communicative and thoughtful, so she finds "talking" to AI interesting psychologically (while being fully aware AI doesn't have feelings or consciousness). And she has no history of AI getting pushed on her in any context.
Compare to my other friend that's ecologically conscious amateur artist. Initially she was interested in using it in AI generated art, but it wasn't all that good (amd steerable) back then. Then her work started pushing it. With their CEO saying things to the tune of "do or die" and people losing their jobs regardless. And the thing they were pushing was some crappy version of Copilot, that she gave a chance but it was more burden than help at her job most of the times. She pretty much hates AI now and as for the art, she sees it getting better but decides that what's attractive for her in art is the physical process of drawing and tools associated. AI tools don't give her the kind of joy she seeks.
Of course this is just a bunch of anecdotes. But I'd be surprised if pushing bad AI on people with additional stressful factors wouldn't cause them to like it less and hate it more.
Re: My friends all hate AI; I just joined an AI startup
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> you've got a really high bar to clear to prove that you're actually helping students learn better, and teachers teach better Absolutely. In fact the data from the past 10-15 years clearly shows the best education technology is still pen and paper, books, and good pedagogy.
I have tried memorisation systems like Anki, but nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing consolidates my knowledge better than writing the actual concept down with pen and paper.
- Use Anki as an "exposure amplifier", not a database of raw facts to memorize. Think "tampering with the relative frequency of input to your brain", not "I will memorize every fact."
- Automate card creation as a much as possible. This will almost always require custom tooling. Card creation is part of the learning process, but you still want to automate everything you can possibly automate. Imagine tools to turn ebook highlights into cards, or to turn entire movies worth of subtitles into listening cards.
- Delete cards ruthlessly. If a card makes you say "Ugh", just delete it. If you're automating as much of card creation as possible, and if you're treating Anki as an "exposure amplifier", then deleting cards is cheap. And a significant amount of review pain comes from a small minority of the cards. Cull them, and reviews start to feel like popping bubblewrap, and not like getting a root canal.
- Prioritize large context and small active recall. For language learning, you might capture several sentences of context from a book or web page you're reading. Read or ignore the context depending on your mood. The active recall portion of a card significantly boosts how much you retain. But oddly, it seems OK to make the active recall portion really small. Try hiding half a word, or a single preposition in a phrase. For passive cards, just boldface an interesting expression in context, and mark the card as passed if you mostly understand it in that context.
- Introduce new cards slowly. Total review burden will stabilize around 5-6 times the number of new cards you learn a day. So 10 cards is a good default, and 20 is a significant commitment.
- The critical window seems to happen around 20-30 days after you introduce a card. This is when either your memory magically "consolidates" somehow (and formerly challenging cards suddenly become blindly obvious), or when a card enters repeated failure territory (and should thus be deleted ruthlessly). You could probably do just fine if you auto-suspended any card that you successfully recalled after a 20- or 30-day gap.
Also, this kind of tooling is the sort of thing you could just vibe code these days. If you do, make the "Delete" button really big.