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Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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BTW, Israel's now pretty obvious genocidal acts against Palestinians are now finally clearly visible on Google maps: https://earth.google.com/web/search/gaza/@31.28918718,34.255... This is the city of 300k people that they erased along with the entire countryside (lot of the erasure happened outside of any fighting as reported by Israeli online news websites at the time). And they did so right after getting order fro…

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Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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I suspect that this kind of tactic is going to be everywhere in a year or so. Entire fake personalities and organization websites on the Internet created just to push a narrative or to advertise a product, which completely drown out real information. At some point they may be indistinguishable from human-produced work, so the only way to verify if a site is someone's genuine opinion or AI-generated narrative is throu…

One of the things that I took away from reading about the history of the transatlantic slave trade was that rich people always get the ideas they need circulated.

I don't want to call all of those people liars, although I'm sure some are. But the incentive structures at least select and reinforce the people espousing whatever notions support and justify a profitable status quo.

Previously, the cost of that was quite high. You had to find a bunch of reasonably smart people and fund them for years to go around and say what you liked. From royal patronage to modern think tanks, it cost real money to shift a lot of minds.

But now given the incredible concentration in "AI" chatbots and their nature as text averagers, I suspect the cost of influence has dropped an order of magnitude. So I think we'll see a lot more of this.

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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well on one side you have huge military on other side you have a pile of rocks that used to be a city. so comparing these its does not make israel look better.

But only one side did October 7th and seems like they had more than sticks and stones. It would appear as if someone (Hamas) decided to literally put every penny they had into weaponizing Gaza, even going as far as tearing water pipes out of the ground to make rockets which they fire on Israeli civilian population.

It was NOT only one side that did October 7th.

Look it up.

Netanyahu has been funding Hamas indirectly for decades.

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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My point is that the Israeli government has been claiming, in every way imaginable, that their actions are „targeted“, when the evidence clearly shows that they are not. So when someone like Gvir says „targeted assassinations“, what he means (based on previous evidence) is „let’s kill some Palestinians“. What people say needs to be put in context of how they have behaved in the past.

We might as well just ignore completely what he said, and just say "look at him and his previous actions!" then. I agree this guy is an racist scum, I just don't think it justifies saying something like "Itamar Ben-Gvir, just recently, stated that he wants to kill 30-40 Palestinians every night. He said so, publicly." Hitler was terrible too but I don't go around telling people "He said kill all Jews on national tele…

So if eg Trump said “evil Spain, we will never trade with them again, as they are terrorist-lovers” your only option is to just repeat that verbatim?

Or would you have the ability to say “in response to Spain denying US access to military bases and air space for Iran war, Trump retaliates with economic sanctions”?

If I think this is exactly what Ben Gvir is saying, and if I can make a sound argument to back that up, why would I not claim that he said exactly that? Is piercing through veiled bullshit that politicians say now frowned upon?

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Is there any writing outside of your recollection that says the Heard side was using bots? Afaik all reporting suggested it was one sided, and not her side

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Did they forget to turn you off after the trial?

I haven't heard about Heard Bots myself, only the Depp Fakes. It's not an unreasonable question to ask for external corroboration when someone claims that something happened and their source is that they saw it.

Sadly, I am not invested enough to do research on this matter and uninterested in having an LLM convincingly tell me whatever it reads on the internet is the truth about this.

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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I suspect that this kind of tactic is going to be everywhere in a year or so. Entire fake personalities and organization websites on the Internet created just to push a narrative or to advertise a product, which completely drown out real information. At some point they may be indistinguishable from human-produced work, so the only way to verify if a site is someone's genuine opinion or AI-generated narrative is throu…

>the only way to verify if a site is someone's genuine opinion or AI-generated narrative is through some form of authority

not authority but circles of trust from real life connections. we had a nice brief moment of centralized asynchronous information exchange with strangers that was relatively trustworthy but we are going to go back to needing to talk to an actual human being in real time in order to receive an actual human opinion from strangers, and then on top of that we can built local caches that explicitly are not able to be contributed to by strangers but that your circle of friends and family may be able to use.

ive been toiling over some designs/implementations for making it digital but ultimately its a process adherence more than a tool thats needed. any old notepad and emails would work fine

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Excellent time to apply for your library cards.

You don’t think plenty of books are either written by LLMs, or with LLM based research?

Plenty of books in libraries? I'd guess the incidence is relatively low. Libraries have limited funding, trained professionals doing the book selection, and a culture that fiercely loves books, authors, and readers.

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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It's already been happening for a very long time. The US' "Operation Earnest Voice" happened in 2010/2011[0] And it's not just state actors. Anyone who was online during the Amber Heard/Johnny Depp trials was likely inundated with media about that trial. Both of their legal teams utilized bots to drive online discussions[1][2] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Earnest_Voice [1] https://www.latimes.com/enter…

Both of their legal teams utilized bots to drive online discussions[1][2] Neither of these sources support this claim as none of them include any discussion on Amber Heard('s legal team) using bots?

Yeah, we don't need to "both sides" this. It's obvious which side had the bot army.

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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It's legitimately weird to see anybody defend them, as the immorality is out in the open. The past few years have really opened my eyes to the nakedly tribal nature of democratic politics. Polybius was largely correct when he said that it inevitably degenerates into oligarchy or mob-rule -- but what's especially unfortunate is that the US and Israel appear to be getting both at the same time: A naked oligarchy with j…

It really disturbed me discovering how many nominally liberal people who would react in horror at casual use of the n word are quite comfortable with genocidal racism.

And, with a perfectly straight face, they'll say: "B-but ackshually it's NOT genocide! They're not all dead yet!"

Beyond disturbing, I think.

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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MEMRI is the US non-profit organization that provides translations from Arabic for the Western media: "MEMRI was co-founded by Israeli ex-intelligence officer Yigal Carmon and Israeli-American political scientist Meyrav Wurmser in 1998. MEMRI describes itself as being independent and non-partisan. Some critics have described MEMRI as aiming to portray the Arab world and the Islamic world in a negative light by produc…

There's also supposed "UN watch" which is another innocuous looking Israeli front meant to sow confusion into decades long UN's attemmpts to deal with the mess jewish terror gangs in Palestine created by stealing massive amount of land from Palestinians in 1947-48 for their bigoted state project.

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