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GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by jmuguy »

senordevnyc wrote: post #341
fluoridation wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are subsidizing the non-API use cases and overcharging on the API use cases.

No, almost everyone has been in agreement that they’re subsidizing subscriptions, but there have literally been dozens (hundreds?) of threads on HN in the past 12 months with people vehemently arguing that API prices are subsidized.

I think both can be true - they're losing money on the API and they're still charging too much. Which is really where the music stops for American AI investment. I also use K3 now and its perfectly capable for the development work I'm doing. I don't shed any tears for OpenAI or Anthropic.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by johnnyApplePRNG »

m101 wrote: post #360

I think what is going on here is that OpenAI are employing price differentiation to capture more of the market. The captive API customers are already there. There are bunch of potential customers that are price sensitive and are at openrouter. This move allows them to capture more of the market and increase profits (yes, they might be increasing profits at this level)

You don't just jump from model to model on openrouter because somebody slashed prices, though.

People actually have to select and want to use Sol 5.6 in their routing.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by irthomasthomas »

bogdan wrote: post #353
Bayart wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try DS through their own API if that's feasible, AFAIK they're much cheaper than through OS due to cache hit rates.

Is there actually a difference in cache rates between OR and official API? I have a preset set up on OR so that I only send traffic to deepseek. The preset is important otherwise you will send traffic to different providers but if you weren't doing this already then what can I say, water is wet, of course cache rates will be awful. I get about 70% cache hit rate with the preset which is appropriate for what I'm doing…

Zenmux say the cache hit rate is 98% for the deepseek flash API. I don't know why, but performance is definitely worse using openrouter.

https://zenmux.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4-flash

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by johnnyApplePRNG »

twelvechairs wrote: post #193
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #137

This sure looks like a race to the bottom to me, and I love it. If Sol isn't the best model, it is up there... You don't cut the price of the best model for no reason...

If you believe https://artificialanalysis.ai/ This is basically undercutting KimiK3 and Grok 4.6 where previously utilised gad soke advantages but was a step more expensive

But who can take a benchmarking website seriously when they literally change their benchmarks to appease anthropic, like artificialanalysis.ai did the other day?

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by johnnyApplePRNG »

Fergusonb wrote: post #2

Luna saw a huge jump after the price cut and is one of the more competitive models at the new price on openrouter. Maybe they want to see how much market they can grab with Sol? This might help but there are already cheaper models with Sol's intelligence more or less, the most notable being Grok 4.6 at $6/m which makes it a tougher sell

SOL 5.6 usage actually looks unchanged on the day https://openrouter.ai/provider/openai

I'd be surprised if they closed out over 100B tokens today (they did 101B on sol 5.6 yesterday).

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by johnnyApplePRNG »

xmonkee wrote: post #3
Fergusonb wrote: post #2

Luna saw a huge jump after the price cut and is one of the more competitive models at the new price on openrouter. Maybe they want to see how much market they can grab with Sol? This might help but there are already cheaper models with Sol's intelligence more or less, the most notable being Grok 4.6 at $6/m which makes it a tougher sell

It's really only between Anthropic and OpenAI for many of my use cases, since I have a Zero Data Retention agreement with both. I'm not trusting random inference providers and especially not Elmo with sensitive data.

Deepinfra is US based and has ZDR FYI.

I am quite happy with them so far.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by edg5000 »

fluoridation wrote: post #330
miki123211 wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's funny how quickly we went from "the greedy US companies are subsidizing prices to keep competitors out of the market" to "the greedy US companies are overcharging because they are greedy."

They are subsidizing the non-API use cases and overcharging on the API use cases.

I'm not happy about it, but API prices seem actually reasonable if you compare it to free-market pure inference providers. They need to buy the same power, same hardware as the big labs without needing any R&D. This means that the coding plans must be subsidized. I'm not happy about that, because it means we'll be paying more, until hardware and maybe power drops in price, which, if we look at e.g. the housing market, may never happen during my lifetime.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by kingkongjaffa »

netsec_burn wrote: post #32

After using Claude for a long time, I tested Sol 5.6 for the first time today. Love it, its an incredibly capable model and uses far fewer tokens/time thinking. Its what I imagine Fable would be if I haven't been downgraded on every conversation - even after completing the verification program. I think I may cancel my Claude subscription finally.

I also cancelled Claude recently. GPT 5.6 models are really good, and they have much better usage limits.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by johnnyApplePRNG »

speedstyle wrote: post #98
xmonkee wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really only between Anthropic and OpenAI for many of my use cases, since I have a Zero Data Retention agreement with both. I'm not trusting random inference providers and especially not Elmo with sensitive data.

or Tinfoil [0]? They serve open models with container integrity attested by Nvidia/AMD enclaves. Every cloud provider offers this of course, but not usually in a way that can be shared between distrusting users for economical inference. It still relies on the open-source containers being secure, and there's probably hardware sidechannels and stuff, but personally (ie privacy not liability) I trust it more than a cont…

Their prices are extremely high compared to the competition on https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4-flash-0731 fyi.

tinfoil asks more than 10x the output cost ... $1.90 per 1M tokens instead of $0.18 per 1M tokens for my favorite model (Deepseek V4 Flash 0731) on my favorite provider (DeepInfra) currently, for example.

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