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GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by c16 »

pimeys wrote: post #326
mrngld wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China's 50 Cent Party being a real and noticeable thing (and the two biggest things they like to shill is open weight Chinese models and the futility of resisting a Taiwan invasion), I have to take things like this with a healthy dose of skepticism without corroborating data, since independent evals didn't show the price per task lead you're showing. If there's independent data showing this feel free to share a link,…

Internal reports from company? Maybe not. I'm just saying you have to eval eval eval if you are working in this industry. There's a ton of victories in price, and price is right now the key thing all the customers are talking about. It's not always Chinese models. For example GLM 5.2 just did not work for us at all. And Gemini is still the best cheap model for non-text agents. If you don't have a good eval set and if…

> I'd say a healthy 75% cut to token prices and they are back in competition.

Surely you don't want them to be the reason the bubble bursts?

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by bogdan »

Bayart wrote: post #323
gagan2020 wrote: post #297

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I shifted from DeepSeek v4 Flash 0731 to Gemini 3.7 flash on openrouter and price shoots up almost double with no visible change in outcome. So, today I reverted back.

Try DS through their own API if that's feasible, AFAIK they're much cheaper than through OS due to cache hit rates.

Is there actually a difference in cache rates between OR and official API? I have a preset set up on OR so that I only send traffic to deepseek. The preset is important otherwise you will send traffic to different providers but if you weren't doing this already then what can I say, water is wet, of course cache rates will be awful. I get about 70% cache hit rate with the preset which is appropriate for what I'm doing. I haven't used the official API though.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by bbg2401 »

ChadNauseam wrote: post #189
tamimio wrote: post #73

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Yeah at this point claude is overrated, overly expensive, weird writing style (elliptical), and the worst part is the aggressive guardrails that even normal convos get interrupted, meanwhile openAI is still I would say at the normal balance, if you ask something too obvious or direct it will stop you other than that, it work flawlessly, plus, I have yet to hit the limit despite heavily using it these past weeks.

> if you ask something too obvious or direct it will stop you other than that, it work flawlessly What on earth are you asking it?

You've replied incredulously to a similar stated experience in this thread already and proceeded to ignore the follow-up. Why are you again asking a question to which you have no intention to field an answer?

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by irthomasthomas »

gagan2020 wrote: post #297
pimeys wrote: post #278

The competition is real in pricing. Thanks for the Chinese open models, US big players have to cut their inference pricing. We've done a bunch of evals between the models, and Kimi K3 was the first one that actually could compete or be even better than Opus or Sol in our use cases, with a fraction of the price. All our developers use K3 as their programming model, and it now powers a big part of our systems instead o…

I shifted from DeepSeek v4 Flash 0731 to Gemini 3.7 flash on openrouter and price shoots up almost double with no visible change in outcome. So, today I reverted back.

Openrouter is going to cost you a lot more than the 5% fee, unless you lock the provider.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by breezybottom »

Gangway0829 wrote: post #79
IshKebab wrote: post #75

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A billion tokens per day?? Plausible estimates put the energy use at about 0.001 Wh/token, which means you're using 1000 kWh/day in electricity, just to generate slop. That's about the same as 50-100 houses. 300kg of CO2 per day - roughly the same as flying from London to New York every three days . I think on average AI energy usage is not as big a deal as everyone is panicking about, but your usage is truly absurd…

I can't speak for that guy, but I'm a physicist and work in clean energy... So it's not too hard! That said, I usually am closer to 10M on days I do heavy coding, so not nearly that bad.

Terrifying to think that even physicists can't code their own simulations anymore. We're plunging headfirst into the dark ages.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by ComputerGuru »

9cb14c1ec0 wrote: post #61
ComputerGuru wrote: post #34

Does OpenRouter eat this cost to get their hands on a copy of the conversations people are using with the model?

No, this is OpenAI doing the discount, not Openrouter by themselves. OpenAI is crushing it with their 5.6 models, and they probably decided there was no better time to grab as much market share as possible.

But the discount is only available via OpenRouter.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by pimeys »

c16 wrote: post #351
pimeys wrote: post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Internal reports from company? Maybe not. I'm just saying you have to eval eval eval if you are working in this industry. There's a ton of victories in price, and price is right now the key thing all the customers are talking about. It's not always Chinese models. For example GLM 5.2 just did not work for us at all. And Gemini is still the best cheap model for non-text agents. If you don't have a good eval set and if…

> I'd say a healthy 75% cut to token prices and they are back in competition. Surely you don't want them to be the reason the bubble bursts?

Yep. It's a bit scary also. There's a lot of opportunity in the market now, but the downfall of the big US inference labs is going to hurt here in EU too sadly...

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by alchemist1e9 »

xscott wrote: post #149
alchemist1e9 wrote: post #131

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Fable is almost unusable for anything but super boring mainstream stuff. I was getting safeguard flagged so often I’ve significantly reduced my usage out of fear they will blacklist/ban me. Some of the topics it’s flagged have been hard for me to understand what it seeing that can be remotely concerning in my requests.

I've gotten flagged for asking questions about tokens and tensors. That makes me believe it's not about safety, it's about protecting their turf. I cancelled my subscription - same fear about getting flagged too much leading to a ban.

I agree. It’s flagged me on discussing fast GEMM implementations for large regressions, a discussion on theoretical physics math, a discussion on designing a type of RAG system. I’m super baffled as to what the safety instructions actually are other than “advanced anything” and even then their definition of advanced is a joke, I’m an idiot and my questions are almost laughable.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by m101 »

I think what is going on here is that OpenAI are employing price differentiation to capture more of the market. The captive API customers are already there. There are bunch of potential customers that are price sensitive and are at openrouter. This move allows them to capture more of the market and increase profits (yes, they might be increasing profits at this level)
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