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Not by a single lunatic operating from their bedroom.

Lunatics in bedrooms have been distributing pamphlets since the invention of the printing press.

Their current reach is unprecedented though, and the reach of governments or political parties engaging in mass disinformation campaigns has proved almost an existential risk.

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You don’t think plenty of books are either written by LLMs, or with LLM based research?

you can still find books published within last 50 years, you don't have to read books published this year, unless your library went through destruction of "old" books which are now more relevant than ever...

Old books are the new low background steel.

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And he is a minister in Israel's government, not some rando. Israeli governments and actions in the last many years are simply indefensible.

It's legitimately weird to see anybody defend them, as the immorality is out in the open. The past few years have really opened my eyes to the nakedly tribal nature of democratic politics. Polybius was largely correct when he said that it inevitably degenerates into oligarchy or mob-rule -- but what's especially unfortunate is that the US and Israel appear to be getting both at the same time: A naked oligarchy with j…

It really disturbed me discovering how many nominally liberal people who would react in horror at casual use of the n word are quite comfortable with genocidal racism.

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Is there any writing outside of your recollection that says the Heard side was using bots? Afaik all reporting suggested it was one sided, and not her side

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Is there any writing outside of your recollection that says the Heard side was using bots? Afaik all reporting suggested it was one sided, and not her side

Elon helped her a bit, but the Hollywood moguls were better in directing the outcome

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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I do not disagree with any of the things you said, hence I'm not sure what you're rambling about.

My point is that the Israeli government has been claiming, in every way imaginable, that their actions are „targeted“, when the evidence clearly shows that they are not. So when someone like Gvir says „targeted assassinations“, what he means (based on previous evidence) is „let’s kill some Palestinians“. What people say needs to be put in context of how they have behaved in the past.

We might as well just ignore completely what he said, and just say "look at him and his previous actions!" then. I agree this guy is an racist scum, I just don't think it justifies saying something like "Itamar Ben-Gvir, just recently, stated that he wants to kill 30-40 Palestinians every night. He said so, publicly."

Hitler was terrible too but I don't go around telling people "He said kill all Jews on national television!!!" even if that's pretty clearly what he believed in.

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

#527

This article is so close! ALL think tanks are specifically focused on moving the needle on ideas in a certain direction. It’s just easier now to do the work. This article is published by “The Quincy Institute for Statecraft” Think tanks are funded by people with agendas (mostly) and for at least the last 30 years we have seen a huge number of nonsense “think tanks” pushing talking points with zero rigor that end up c…

and so?

"Not saying this article is wrong - just that think tanks exist to do this so it’s a cast iron pot calling a tin kettle a “cheap imitation”

what are you trying to say?

"This article is published by “The Quincy Institute for Statecraft”

again, and so? also you removed "Responsible"?

"Quincy institute for responsible statecraft"

for the readers: https://quincyinst.org/about

"The practical and moral failures of U.S. efforts to unilaterally shape the destiny of other nations by force requires a fundamental rethinking of U.S. foreign policy assumptions."

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

#528

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The left and right are noticing and agreeing on this issue.

agreeing, but unfortunately a lot of the motivation on the Right is anti-Jew hate.

I see both a lot of left and right criticism of Israel on YouTube, and yeah, on the left it's all about Israel's actions and policies specifically, and often Zionism as an ideology, and the criticism is often lodged by left-leaning Jews.

On the right, certainly the comments sections at least definitely feature some pretty alarming bigoted tropes--the comments explicitly make the jump from being about Israel to being about "the Jews". One could definitely make the same argument about some of the content, though most of it definitely seems to fall short of where the viewers want it to in this regard.

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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I was aiming to translate what he said, not to guess we he deeply believes. The OP suggested he was saying this on television, hinting that this would be some kind of acceptable opinion in Israel. Ben Gvir's history, while I too believe still plays a big role in his ideas, is something that at least publicly he had to apologize for in order to get into the position he's at.

We don't need to "guess." When somebody shows you who he is, believe him.

Oh I sure do believe him. I just don't think it means one should be able to make up things regarding what he said on television.

As an aside: it's really sad to see how hard it is for people to comprehand complexities. One can be all for Palestinian state, against the war, think of Ben Gvir and Hamas as a similar evil, dedicate decades to mutual work towards peace between Israelis and Palestinians, and yet get some random internet dude saying things like "why are you defending him are you racist too!?!?!?!?" when all you're trying to do is to hold on to the simple facts in this conflict.

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I'm kind of hopeful AI some wikipedia-inspired AI "oracle" will happen in the future. Why not use some central AI to separate fact from fiction (faster than trolls and griefers can come to muddy the debate).

Isn't this what Elon Musk has unironically claimed he is doing with grokipedia?

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/grokipedia-stopped-revi...

> Grokipedia appears not to have updated any articles since April 24

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