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AI;DR (AI; Didn't Read)

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Re: AI;DR (AI; Didn't Read)

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It could also be that this site has created its own hive-mind environment. Which is especially and bizzarely intolerant of AI at the moment. I don't want the prompt - I may not have access to an LLM to evaluate it. The entire argument here is misguided, and deeply angry about AI. It's equivalent to answering a question with "google it". Which is often times just plain rude.

>It could also be that this site has created its own hive-mind environment. Which is especially and bizzarely intolerant of AI at the moment. Really? I wonder where else you haunt because this is the most pro-AI place I'm around, both in fervor and number.

For HN, like with other polarizing topics, it also very much depends on which articles you look at.

Re: AI;DR (AI; Didn't Read)

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1. This doesn't make any sense. On this reading, most any work is "optional" in that you had the option to do something else. But few people have the option to not work at all. If creating slop generates a decent enough ROI, and you have to work , then why is it waste? It may be waste to you , but for them it is an income. Just like there are entire industries or products I might personally think are a waste and yet…

What I meant by "optional" work is that it's not being performed for a buyer; it's volunteer labor. Nobody's paying for individuals' awful LinkedIn posts. I suppose it could be framed as self-promotion aimed at a potential future payoff, but if it repels buyers, then it's pointless. Perhaps it's worth looking at this issue from the demand side instead. Who is the customer or buyer of the AI-generated work; and if the…

As to the first part, if you mean the demand side as in who wants to read slop LinkedIn posts, LLMs haven't changed the fundamental nature of that. It's always been awful. Therefore the point is who cares if an AI has written it. As I said, it's all pablum anyway. But I don't agree with how you are describing the problem. Most marketing or self promotion is "optional" then? Why is not having a direct buyer asking for the work equal to "volunteer" work? Anyone who has been around marketing knows conversion rates are incredibly low. That's just the nature of it. It still often makes sense from a ROI perspective. There are many if not most cases were > 99% of people might readily say "who asked for this?" and it will still make economic sense to convert the fraction of a percent.

I similarly don't think your second point makes much sense. I think people going on about writing or domain experience as a skill are missing the obvious writing on the wall. If you are not an exceptional writer you will be replaced. Most people will be replaced then. Or at the very least, their diminished market power is inevitable. The end state of these models is in my view clearly aligned to less human in the loop and more automated self prompting. Most people's prompts are not that unique. If someone has a superior prompt that eventually gets integrated into the model. Eventually the model learns to ask itself the superior question, even if the spark is a profoundly lazy human invocation. The progress along code generation is then joined hand in hand by progress to full automation. Why is generating a prompt harder to solve than generating code? Why will both not advance in the next decade? Suggesting code will be increasingly machine written while saying humans will still need to be around to write instructions just strikes me as denialism of the scale of the change. If you think that in 10 years most of the back and forth is not going to be LLMs talking entirely among themselves I think you are in for a rude awakening.

As I said earlier, if a human cares a human will author. As for the rest of it, it makes almost no difference. Bad, lazy writing has always existed. Why would I take solace that a human has produced slop over a machine? The question is not "do I like it" but "do I care". The answer is no. Most things in the economy I don't care for or like. But certain things are inevitable as humans conglomerate. A well organized mind learns to get over it. Quite frankly if LLMs push LinkedIn over the edge and lead to the destruction of that platform I would be pleased. It was always a center of corporate slop and backpatting, something that in theory was optional but was more like a mandatory career chore, a step in the middle to actual work. It just is kind of amusing that your example of why AI writing is bad is because it is ruining LinkedIn, as if that place wasn't always trash. It just makes my point. In domains were humans care about human authorship, it's just not an issue in the same way. I've never heard someone care about LinkedIns viability as an ecosystem from someone who didn't work there. If LLMs are making the site unusable they are doing God's work.

Re: AI;DR (AI; Didn't Read)

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Whenever I'm tempted to base my judgment on how something's been created rather than what the end result is, I think about the scene where Sheldon throws away the french toast Penny made for him, despite smelling good, just because "Monday is oatmeal day."

Before LLMs came around, it took quite a bit more effort to write something than to read it. So the fact that someone had taken the time to create something was a signal that they thought it was worth that effort, and so it might be worth my (lesser) effort to read it. And even with that filter there was a lot of human-created crap out there. I value my time. With a LLM, it takes very little effort to create a vast m…

Sure, it's your choice where to put your precious time. Exactly like Sheldon, you prefer not to dedicate any energy to question a judgment you have decided a priori. And like him, you might be missing out on some good stuff.

Re: AI;DR (AI; Didn't Read)

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> Look, I get it. It’s Q3 2026, and we should expect that everyone is utilizing AI at SOME point in their process (sourcing ideas, creating outlines, refining prose, etc.)

How do people not realize how up their own @$$ they sound when they say things like this

Re: AI;DR (AI; Didn't Read)

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> Look, I get it. It’s Q3 2026, and we should expect that everyone is utilizing AI at SOME point in their process (sourcing ideas, creating outlines, refining prose, etc.) How do people not realize how up their own @$$ they sound when they say things like this

One thing I don't understand here, isn't "refining prose" exactly the thing the author is calling out against?

Re: AI;DR (AI; Didn't Read)

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My coworkers continue to dump hundreds of lines of AI documentation in every PR and every other line of code has between one and ten lines of AI generated comments, talking about the real unlock and how things are byte for byte identical on the load bearing path or how the acceptance ladder is misleading. Features are coming out and metrics are improving, but we’re basically in a post readability code base, with the…

With one colleague, I was leaving PR comments and he would just put my feedback into the AI and paste its response. So I decided to cut out the middleman and now I just @cursor and tell it to trim unnecessarily long comments.

Of all the things in this thread - this is the one that grinds my gears the most. Colleagues that believe it’s ok to reply with unedited garbage when you engage with them as a human.

I don’t think we need to write code anymore unless we want to - but we DO need to be humans, and respect the time of other people.

Re: AI;DR (AI; Didn't Read)

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Wow! that comment you linked speaks to me. I was watching a review video for a game yesterday that was so obviously written by AI it was actually painful to listen to. I started reading the comments and there were several people praising this Youtuber on their great use of metaphor. Literally "subbed because you're such an amazing writer." It actually shook me to my core. If those were real people making those commen…

At least you didn’t over-react. Some people seem so afraid of consuming AI-generated content that they see it everywhere. A popular YouTuber says “thanks for the pushback” in a YouTube video and has the mob at his door, instantly, despite it not being written by AI. In the comments for any blog post or article that hits the HN front page, there is always someone confidently calling it out for being unmistakeably writ…

> A popular YouTuber says “thanks for the pushback” in a YouTube video and has the mob at his door, instantly, despite it not being written by AI.

Well that is not really what happened at all. Most people seem to believe Hank Green was honest when he said the line "thanks for the pushback" was in fact made up at the spot and not by an LLM, and the scandal would have died there.

Except in follow-up to that, Hank Green made several very open and personal posts about his LLM usage getting completely out of hand to the extent that his wife and brother called for an intervention about it, that it's been like an addiction to him, and that he had been letting it guide him way too much and how this was a breach of trust to his audience.

There were also one or two other incidents for people who are paying attention that this did another rather large dent in trusting him as a "smart person who says smart things", any more.

Re: AI;DR (AI; Didn't Read)

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It's not just claude, all AI is unable to produce something concise. On the surface everything looks 'good' whether code or prose, but then if you dig a bit, try and understand the whole text you quickly realise that 80% of it is unecessary and the whole thing could have been re-worded/re-coded into something a fraction of its size and complexity. I asked Sol to reduce the length of some documentation we had by makin…

It's not that it fundamentally isn't able to produce something concise, it's that the business model of the companies developing these models rests on selling tokens...

It’s not some conspiracy. If they knew how to make the AI responses better and more concise, they would. They just don’t yet.

Re: AI;DR (AI; Didn't Read)

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Wow! that comment you linked speaks to me. I was watching a review video for a game yesterday that was so obviously written by AI it was actually painful to listen to. I started reading the comments and there were several people praising this Youtuber on their great use of metaphor. Literally "subbed because you're such an amazing writer." It actually shook me to my core. If those were real people making those commen…

You realize that when people aren't told an image or text is AI generated, on average they prefer it to human created content, and it's only when they know it's AI that they rate it lower than the human content? You shouldn't be shocked by this, the last 20 years of Hollywood and pop music clearly indicates the the mass market doesn't care about craft or art, it likes to ride the vibes of what's trending.

> when people aren't told an image or text is AI generated, on average they prefer it to human created content

uhm this is so heavily dependent on the kind, type and model of AI used that I'm calling you out on making this "statistic" up on the spot.

but I'm not entirely sure what your point is

if you don't tell people which food has been hyperprocessed and laced with corn syrup or whatever you can imagine, they will also prefer that one

also 9 times out of 10, people prefer the needle with heroin in it

Re: AI;DR (AI; Didn't Read)

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My coworkers continue to dump hundreds of lines of AI documentation in every PR and every other line of code has between one and ten lines of AI generated comments, talking about the real unlock and how things are byte for byte identical on the load bearing path or how the acceptance ladder is misleading. Features are coming out and metrics are improving, but we’re basically in a post readability code base, with the…

My "favorite" Claudism is when I critique its work and ask it to remove some unnecessary part of the design -- and then the diff has more green than red because it added comments about why the code is no longer there -- the code that was never in the mainline and never asked for!

This isn't just on code.

When I'm writing technical documentation, it keeps the explanations in. Same when writing non-technical documentation. When I was having it attempt to generate a Pathfinder 1e class for a Sword Dancer, it was leaving in notes about why it removes things I told it to remove/rework.

And it isn't just Claude. I've seen the same with GPT models, with Grok, with Deepseek. Each AI isn't quite the same with how it approaches this, but in every case they seem to have a strong bias to retaining information, even bad information that we want gone, so it is like they have a, dare I say, subconscious bias to retain the information. Putting a note in a comment or explaining why to not do something or something was undone is a good way to retain information while still achieving the goal (well, if you ignore the part about the human intention for the information to be gone).

This then weakens the AI in the future, as I find AI struggles with the more incorrect information. Sure, a comment saying "not X because Y" is less 'context damage' than a comment saying "X" (assuming X is wrong), but it is still a slight shift to X being present in context in some way. One off, AI's seem to perfectly handle this without issue. But after hundreds or thousands of cases build up? The attention mechanism seems unable to keep up and incorrect information flows it. This effectively creates a sort of vibe coding maximum size unless there is a human janitor cleaning up the bad information on the context stays nice and clean.

But this is all simply a feeling I get as I use AI to do different things and isn't at all backed up by any formal study.

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