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It's funny how quickly we went from "the greedy US companies are subsidizing prices to keep competitors out of the market" to "the greedy US companies are overcharging because they are greedy."
They are subsidizing the non-API use cases and overcharging on the API use cases.
GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter
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Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter
#342The competition is real in pricing. Thanks for the Chinese open models, US big players have to cut their inference pricing. We've done a bunch of evals between the models, and Kimi K3 was the first one that actually could compete or be even better than Opus or Sol in our use cases, with a fraction of the price. All our developers use K3 as their programming model, and it now powers a big part of our systems instead o…
Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter
#343Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's funny how quickly we went from "the greedy US companies are subsidizing prices to keep competitors out of the market" to "the greedy US companies are overcharging because they are greedy."
They are subsidizing the non-API use cases and overcharging on the API use cases.
Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter
#344Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pretty basic. The codex app with one conversation per project and several running simultaneously all hours. I’m going for max caching that way and it never gets lost even with compaction somehow. Each has a plan with milestones to keep up to date and a thin agents file. I check in on them in the Remote app. Use case is protocol and control reverse engineering of audio hardware. I think they must be identifying the he…
I'd like to see a benchmark on this specific topic: Reverse engineer the hardware protocol from a driver, or just migrate a driver from one OS to another.
Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter
#345I used over a billion tokens per day of gpt-5.6 sol xhigh starting last Wednesday through Sunday before reaching my reset limit. The $200 pro plan is still the best deal.
I spent $800 in a few hours when my sub maxed out because I was trying to get something done and had a long car ride to let it churn. Their api pricing is absurdly expensive.
Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter
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I think Fable's dominance is overstated. It definitely has the lead, but quantifying what that lead actually is is really hard. I'm using GPT 5.6 Sol to do some shit that I personally would consider "crazy" - low level undocumented hardware driver alchemy, reverse engineering highly obfuscated code, even a bit of screwing around with a rendering engine in Vulkan, really just about the most complex tasks I can get any…
AI-pilled obsession with "taste" is bordering on insanity It's just vibes
But human coders can have bad taste too. There is code where there is nothing obviously objectively wrong, yet the choices feel like they were made by someone who just doesn't value or put emphasis on the right things, yet spends a lot of effort on trivialities. It comes in many forms.
Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter
#347After using Claude for a long time, I tested Sol 5.6 for the first time today. Love it, its an incredibly capable model and uses far fewer tokens/time thinking. Its what I imagine Fable would be if I haven't been downgraded on every conversation - even after completing the verification program. I think I may cancel my Claude subscription finally.
Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter
#348Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter
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That's not been my experience. My prompting methods haven't changed much between recent GPT releases. I do put a lot of effort into building tooling and tests around a project, so the LLM output is converging around it.
Can you give examples of the tooling and tests?
This is the csharp target for tsonic (a TypeScript to C#/Rust/Python/Triton transpiler). It has a bunch of tests here: https://github.com/tsoniclang/tsonic-csharp/tree/main/test
More comprehensive e2e proving grounds are at
1: https://github.com/tsoniclang/proof-is-in-the-pudding
2: https://github.com/tsoniclang/tsumo/
They were built specifically for testing the C# target. There are several other large projects we built specifically for e2e testing.
But more interesting would be the tooling built to support this. For example, our current TypeScript parser [1] is a file-by-file port of Microsoft's TypeScript V7 compiler written in golang. The challenge here is that every time Microsoft changes code, we'll have to fix our code and tests. It's doable, but a fair amount of work.
So we decided to write tooling to transpile Microsoft's v7 compiler from golang, and autogenerate our compiler. That tool is called gotots [2] - and it already produces a fully working TypeScript compiler. It's 3x slower than TypeScript v6 compiler, but we hope to get to rough performance parity in a week or so. Everytime Microsoft makes an update, we run gotots and our parser gets updated as well.
[1]: The old parser - https://github.com/tsoniclang/tsts-legacy
[2]: Golang to TypeScript transpiler - https://github.com/tsoniclang/gotots
My general point is that tests and tooling is tremendous value, and they are guardrails for LLMs to converge. I could have, for example, chosen not to write the go-to-ts transpiler, and live with porting Microsoft's parser line by line. But making such tools is something LLMs are good at, so it's a tradeoff well worth making. And the upside is that you don't have to use LLMs to port Microsoft's parser/compiler (a large and complex project) line by line.
Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter
#350Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's funny how quickly we went from "the greedy US companies are subsidizing prices to keep competitors out of the market" to "the greedy US companies are overcharging because they are greedy."
They are subsidizing the non-API use cases and overcharging on the API use cases.