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Google has acquired the data of failed US airline Spirit

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Re: Google has acquired the data of failed US airline Spirit

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Post by Leynos »

warkdarrior wrote: post #48
elric wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I fully share your concerns. And I don't understand how apparently tons of Teams and email conversations can be archived and sold without any kind of scrutiny. How can such data be sold without the consent of all involved parties? What gives Google the right to use it to train LLMs? Is that just a way of washing away the legal protections?

The party owning this data (Spirit Airlines) is consenting to the sale. Employees and customers of Spirit consented when they started employment and did business with Spirit, respectively.

This is why the GDPR (and to a lesser extent the CCPA) is a good thing. The data was supplied for a specific purpose. The handler of the data should have to obtain further consent if they wish to use it for another purpose.

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Post by budman1 »

Ekaros wrote: post #18

Anyone else somewhat weirded by current state of affairs that this sort of information is valuable enough to even bother selling... And that it actually happens... It feels like some societies are in really weird place.

How does this have value? Is any and every sentence in an e-mail considered 'fact' and thus to be fed into the AI?

90% of e-mails and Teams communications are inane. Polite banter, "thanks for taking care of that, I appreciate it" "please route the forms to Janet this week because Bill is on vacation" "unit will be un available until the parts come in" . I can't see the intrinsic fact value of this kind of communication without screening it. And after screening, the gold nuggets would be minimal.

Re: Google has acquired the data of failed US airline Spirit

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Post by Forgeties79 »

hn_submit wrote: post #67

I wonder if the owners of YCombinator have sold all comments to Big Tech for A.I. training. And how long before Google and Microsoft add to their T&Cs that all your anonymized email will be used to train their A.I.?

I don’t know why any company would pay. It can’t be that difficult to scrape this site and they already did it indiscriminately for years, violating laws and taking down public libraries and other public resources with no regard for their impact.

Re: Google has acquired the data of failed US airline Spirit

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Post by bitmasher9 »

hn_submit wrote: post #67

I wonder if the owners of YCombinator have sold all comments to Big Tech for A.I. training. And how long before Google and Microsoft add to their T&Cs that all your anonymized email will be used to train their A.I.?

Are all of the messages public and crawlable?

Re: Google has acquired the data of failed US airline Spirit

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Post by layer8 »

warkdarrior wrote: post #48
elric wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I fully share your concerns. And I don't understand how apparently tons of Teams and email conversations can be archived and sold without any kind of scrutiny. How can such data be sold without the consent of all involved parties? What gives Google the right to use it to train LLMs? Is that just a way of washing away the legal protections?

The party owning this data (Spirit Airlines) is consenting to the sale. Employees and customers of Spirit consented when they started employment and did business with Spirit, respectively.

If this were a European company: That’s not how the GDPR works. You can only consent to specific purposes of using the data.

Re: Google has acquired the data of failed US airline Spirit

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Post by icantevenhold »

woadwarrior01 wrote: post #59
Ekaros wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Makes one appreciate living in place with sufficient constitutional protections against this sort of stuff. Even for work stuff selling this info wouldn't fly in some parts of the world.

If you're referring to GDPR, companies routinely evade such protections using "informed consent" / "legitimate interests" loopholes. The big ones get caught once in a while, get a slap on the wrist and continue to do whatever they were doing before, albeit with more safeguards.

Not really: https://noyb.eu/en/fines-resulting-noyb-litigation

Sure 50 M or even 1 B might be peanuts for faang but still there is real progress.

Support Noyb at all costs

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Post by breppp »

xrd wrote: post #52
snickerbockers wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what happened to the sloth??? Don't bury the lead, man!

The sloth was returned to his owner and I did tip him. That kid is probably still prowling the Amazon (as an adult now), looking for sucker tourists like me.

You probably should have taken the kid to small claims, that was extortion

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Post by gspr »

xrd wrote: post #19

About twenty years ago, I was taking a flight back from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil to the US. In the middle of the night the pilot got on the loudspeaker and said "hi! Having some engine trouble, so we are landing in Manaus." Manaus is in the middle of the Amazon. Needless to say, a bit scary to hear that, but we landed without issue. They told us we had two choices: the nice hotel with a shared room, or the lesser nice…

And this is why data protection laws, like the (imperfect) EU ones that are so lamented here on HN, are necessary.
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