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Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Post by danmaz74 »

yoavm wrote: post #416
danmaz74 wrote: post #413

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30-40 per day means between 10,000 and 15,000 Palestinians killed per year. Just think about that number for a minute. I think that you're giving Ben Gvir way too much benefit of the doubt here.

And a 1,277,500 in ten years! Except no where did he say that this is the plan until the end of days, or until the end of the year. He said what he think Israel should do now. Again, to clarify, I do not support him nor wish for any of his plans to become real, and I'm deeply said and ashmed of every plan of his that did become real. What I was commenting on what about what he said, though, which is already a deviati…

How long has this war been going on? A year is a totally realistic time frame if you evaluate his words.

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Post by inference-god »

yonixw wrote: post #433
jbstack wrote: post #420

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Ah, the classic whataboutism ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism ) defence.

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Exactly, people complaining that Israel are some elite evil force in the world while literally being outraged and influenced wholesale by the exact information campaigns they are upset with Israel for using...

I really don't know how we're going to ever combat it. The main issue I see is there is a very very strong human tendency to "take sides" and "be part of something", and people have always worked out how to exploit that and use it for nefarious purposes.

I'm just worried that with social media there is basically no way out and it's really looking dangerous for the time being.

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Post by jbstack »

yonixw wrote: post #433
jbstack wrote: post #420

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, the classic whataboutism ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism ) defence.

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Shooting the shooter? Are you suggesting that all of the tens of thousands of children killed in gaza were shooters? What I don't understand about these types of arguments is that it's not clear who you are trying to convince. Those who already agree with you don't need convincing, and the rest of us aren't going to buy into it what's obviously contradicted by overwhelming evidence which even international courts agree with. I suspect these attempts to influence LLMs will fail for the same reason: you can produce as much "think tank" material as you like, but in the end the LLM will reason about it in the wider context of other available information, and see the think tank propaganda for what it is. All the more so now that there are articles discussing this very point (which the LLM will also presumably see).

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Post by roenxi »

bsaul wrote: post #436

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Frankly speaking? It is because the people making people's influence operations the topic of conversation (at the national level) tend to be propagandists themselves. They aren't all that interested in a philosophical discourse trying to get people to make decisions in their own best interest or uncover the truth. They have a narrative and a job to do pushing it and they're perfectly happy to let temporary allies talk without interruption.

There's an interesting debate about whether that is helpful or not; the experience of democracy tends to be that your more at risk of getting high on your own supply when it comes to propaganda more than that an opponent is a risk.

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Post by lukan »

giov4 wrote: post #439
lukan wrote: post #382

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nice try, don't pollute this comment with random stance, this is clearly trying to mislead, probably is the same approach used as from title. claiming real zionism is a vague term can come only from somebody biased and try to confuse things. the fanatism is clear and the real zionism is now coming out on plain sight to see for everybody, and yes its clearly genocidal as from facts and claiming it isn't with some conf…

Have you considered, that you are biased and not me?

Otherwise you might have asked for a example of non genocidal zionism, but yes, the fanatism is real.

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Post by yonixw »

jbstack wrote: post #443
yonixw wrote: post #433

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Shooting the shooter? Are you suggesting that all of the tens of thousands of children killed in gaza were shooters? What I don't understand about these types of arguments is that it's not clear who you are trying to convince. Those who already agree with you don't need convincing, and the rest of us aren't going to buy into it what's obviously contradicted by overwhelming evidence which even international courts agr…

> Shooting the shooter? Are you suggesting that all of the tens of thousands of children killed in gaza were shooters?

Wat 0_o? Did you even read my comment?

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Post by yoavm »

jbstack wrote: post #434
yoavm wrote: post #355

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I'm sorry but I can you elaborate? What exactly isn't hanging together? I'm assuming you don't mean that in other contexts is is okay to target an innocent person, but I'm not sure what you do mean. Being targeted is indeed not the same as being guilty. One is being used in the context of war, and the other is used in the Justice system.

I believe what they are saying is that "He was discussing targeted assassinations. One doesn't "target" an innocent person" seems to imply a logical fallacy: (1) Person X is targeted -> (2) innocent people don't get targeted -> (3) therefore person X must not be innocent The problem is that (2) contains too many bad assumptions: that the person doing the targeting is benevolent, that there's sufficient due process to…

Thank you for explaining. I did not mean to say the innocent people in Gaza were not targeted. Of course they did, and many times. I meant to say that in Hebrew (and I believe that in other languages too), when someone calls for "targeted assassinations", it precisely means targeting non-innocent people. The term is literally used as the opposite of "carpet bombing", collective punishment etc. The fact that innocent people were targeted during the war is clearly a crime, but again, it is not what was being called for in the aforementioned quote.

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Post by btbuildem »

It's interesting that (as per the article) the work pumped out by this synthetic think tank does not seem to align / disfavours the official party line of the country. You'd imagine if this was propaganda, it would be supportive of the official stance. I wonder what the objective is then, reputation-building for later influence? Something else?

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Post by MrSkelter »

bsaul wrote: post #436

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You are implying conspiracy. It doesn’t track.

Israelis, and their supporters, love to boast of Israel’s technical prowess and world leading capability in many areas.

Most people do this and Israelis are no different. However in Israel’s case there is evidence of its ability to build, hack and exploit technology at a very high level. The attacks on centrifuges and pagers being prime examples.

Yet when reports of these capabilities being used for influence appear suddenly Israel is being unfairly picked on? It doesn’t make sense.

Israel is very open about its use of propaganda. From AIPAC to “hasbra” to funding film and tv projects pushing particular viewpoints.

Russia and China do not have anything like the power to work like this Israel does. There is no Russian or Chinese AIPAC equivalent.

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Post by LeBit »

bamboozled wrote: post #426
codingisfreedom wrote: post #169

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I don’t support Netanyahu, and so does close to 50% of Israelis. Qatar is spreading fake information and is funding Hamas as well as anti-Israel classes in major US colleges. If you don’t trust Netanyahu then you should disregard the link you shared as well and that just strengthens my point.

The amount of selective outrage directed at Jews, Israel and "Zionists" is proof to me that the fake information campaigns are super duper effective and I'd say dangerously effective. I have friends who are generally psychotically outraged with Israelis and some how just pretend all Israelis are scum / should be "disposed of" or something, and they should "go back to Europe". I see almost zero concern for people of S…

I think what pisses people off about Israel and the Zionist movement is the mixture of entitlement and monstrosity.
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