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Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Post by shevy-java »

> The Hanover Institute’s reports — all of which are about Israel and Palestine — appear to be part of an Israeli effort to influence chatbots.

This already seems to be a wrong analysis in that it makes little sense to "influence" a chatbot. It makes more sense to influence humans, so perhaps the wording is just incorrect, but very clearly the aim is not to "influence" a chatbot per se. That just makes no sense at all.

The wording fake think tank is also strange, because it assumes that all other think tanks are "real". But this assessment can not be made, because not everyone has all information on all think tanks. It is a too simplistic assumption in how the world operates. I understand that if you have incomplete information, you need to infer, but this then leads to information that may be incorrect or incomplete. In turn if your analysis is based on incorrect information, it may lead to wrong conclusions.

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Post by steveBK123 »

This is just LLM SEO then

I think equally interesting is whatever Dario's wife was able to do in order to wipe her foot print from any search/chat results.

I've worked for a number of small company billionaires who all have suspiciously small information footprints online despite being somewhat public figures for 30 years. Most of them do such a good job it is not even clear what state they live, if they are currently married, and if so what their current (or previous) wife(s)'s name is/was.

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Post by amiga386 »

HPsquared wrote: post #349
wiseowise wrote: post #320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not by a single lunatic operating from their bedroom.

Lunatics in bedrooms have been distributing pamphlets since the invention of the printing press.

Some historical context:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamphlet_war#History_of_the_pa...

> Throughout Europe in the 16th century, printed tracts were used to argue religious doctrine and foment support for religious causes. In England, Henry VIII used print literature to justify his break from the Catholic Church. During the subsequent reigns of Edward and Mary, print polemics escalated into propaganda warfare, as print media gained enormous potential to sway common opinion.

> Over the next century, the pamphlet became the principal means of garnering support for a cause or an idea, and was particularly influential during the English Civil Wars (1642-1651) and the Glorious Revolution of 1688.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Civil_War

> Casualties: Parliamentarians 34,130 killed; Royalists 50,700 killed; 127,000 non-combat deaths (including some 40,000 civilians)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Williamite_War_in_Ireland

> Casualties: Williamites: 10,000 killed or died of disease; Jacobites: 15,293 killed or died of disease

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Post by bamboozled »

codingisfreedom wrote: post #169
Georgelemental wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Qatar lies Netanyahu said that "Qatar is not an enemy country". Is he wrong about that? https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-08-14/ty-article/.p...

I don’t support Netanyahu, and so does close to 50% of Israelis. Qatar is spreading fake information and is funding Hamas as well as anti-Israel classes in major US colleges. If you don’t trust Netanyahu then you should disregard the link you shared as well and that just strengthens my point.

The amount of selective outrage directed at Jews, Israel and "Zionists" is proof to me that the fake information campaigns are super duper effective and I'd say dangerously effective. I have friends who are generally psychotically outraged with Israelis and some how just pretend all Israelis are scum / should be "disposed of" or something, and they should "go back to Europe".

I see almost zero concern for people of Sudan, North Korea, Russia, Ukraine, Uighurs, Detained US immigrants etc and I'd say zero anger towards these people's oppressors, as if they are just "good guys misunderstood".

Of course I believe all people should be safe, free from harm etc, but I just cannot some how get totally outraged about one specific cause and neglect all the rest. The only reason I could imagine myself doing this is if I'd been "red pilled" by some social media campaigns, which I suspect more people than I'd like to admit are.

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Post by actionfromafar »

CGMthrowaway wrote: post #101
culi wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's already been happening for a very long time. The US' "Operation Earnest Voice" happened in 2010/2011[0] And it's not just state actors. Anyone who was online during the Amber Heard/Johnny Depp trials was likely inundated with media about that trial. Both of their legal teams utilized bots to drive online discussions[1][2] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Earnest_Voice [1] https://www.latimes.com/enter…

Why are you being downvoting for sharing this relevant truth, complete with sources?

These 2 sources say nothing about Heard using bots, only Depp.

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Post by perpetualpear »

karim79 wrote: post #44

Itamar Ben-Gvir, just recently, stated that he wants to kill 30-40 Palestinians every night. He said so, publicly. So it is hilarious that Israel is trying to influence chatbots when shit like that is out in the open.

When such statements/actions are attributed to Ben-Gvir, I assume they and the objective nuanced truth are basically the same. I find it wild how people who are not like him defend him.

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Post by nmlt »

karim79 wrote: post #195

I'll say this a third time. And the importance of this article is not the method. It is the motive. Using AI to whitewash war crimes is not cool at all. Itamar Ben-Gvir, just recently, stated that he wants to kill 30-40 Palestinians every night. He said so, publicly. On television. So it is both hilarious and disturbing that Israel is trying to influence chatbots when shit like the aforementioned is out in the open f…

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Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Post by throw5973157 »

dana-s wrote: post #368
throw5973157 wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you get a bit older you will realize that just because someone does amazing things doesn’t mean they are omnipotent and omniscient. Also, there was a strong political will to try a peaceful approach to Gaza (with thousands of Gazans coming in to Israel for work every day), and with the belief that Hamas wants a peaceful approach as well. Hamas is planning further attacks now, what do you suggest Israel do about…

And when we both get a bit older, it may come to light that a state leader let this happen, hopefully history will show reality for what it was. Still, that doesn't absolve Hamas from any actions done, they are terrorists at it's core and the worst type, they are willing to use civilians(and babies) to further their agenda, I don't condone them and personally and think the world would be a better place without them(a…

All you have is speculative conspiracy theories and a “hope” that your imaginary facts are true.

What you are actually doing is trying to blame the victim for “allowing” it to happen.

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