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Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Post by williamdclt »

vintermann wrote: post #202
benregenspan wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ben-Gvir is loathed by 90% of Israeli society...Trump still has 33% approval Maybe that 90% number is for Tel Aviv. In national polls, they both have roughly the same approval rating.

I have a long-held feeling with Trump that his most ardent haters don't hate his specific policies, merely that he's so gauche about it, that he has no class. I have no doubt that Ben-Gvir has a similar segment of haters in Israel. They want the same things, but they don't want to do it in the style of a leering hooligan fishing for a fistfight.

> I have a long-held feeling with Trump that his most ardent haters don't hate his specific policies, merely that he's so gauche about it, that he has no class.

A bit of an extraordinary belief to hold, to be honest

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Post by lukan »

giov4 wrote: post #371

Interesting but nothing new, all countries doing the same but any information coming from Israel is clearly poisoned to try compensate the negative image that they clearly represent. Just see the garbage coming from a web search (totally polluted and poisoned with the same spam output quality since years) so this is just an extension of that towards the input of ai. they can try hard but any person with a non-biased…

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Post by imjonse »

wiseowise wrote: post #320
bawolff wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Propaganda is not a new thing. It might look slightly different on the internet, but it doesn't look that different. Creating organizations to push a narrative was just as much a thing 100 years ago as it is now.

Not by a single lunatic operating from their bedroom.

The whole hysteria about 'fake news' 10 years ago was apparently an outrage against the public being duped, whereas is was in fact frustration that spreading fake news has been democratised.

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Post by yoavm »

plxio32 wrote: post #365
yoavm wrote: post #309

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I'm assuming you're asking genuinely so I will answer. For context, I'm originally Israeli, but I only heard about this from this HN thread. He was apparently on a podcast with a released hostage from Gaza. He was discussing targeted assassinations. One doesn't "target" an innocent person. He indeed said that we should target not only those that are an "immediate threat". I'm guessing he meant people who took part in…

> One doesn't "target" an innocent person. He indeed said that we should target not only those that are an "immediate threat". I'm guessing he meant people who took part in October 7th's attack but are not currently fighting. That's a lot of leeway for Ben Gvir, a guy that clearly doesn't mind killing innocent civilians. For years he proudly hung the portrait of the israeli terrorist Baruch Goldstein in his living ro…

I was aiming to translate what he said, not to guess we he deeply believes. The OP suggested he was saying this on television, hinting that this would be some kind of acceptable opinion in Israel. Ben Gvir's history, while I too believe still plays a big role in his ideas, is something that at least publicly he had to apologize for in order to get into the position he's at.

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Post by x3ro »

yoavm wrote: post #355
Planktonne wrote: post #345

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> He was discussing targeted assassinations. One doesn't "target" an innocent person. Quite apart from anything else, I don't think these statements hang together, and we wouldn't accept them in any other context. Being targeted is not the same as being guilty.

I'm sorry but I can you elaborate? What exactly isn't hanging together? I'm assuming you don't mean that in other contexts is is okay to target an innocent person, but I'm not sure what you do mean. Being targeted is indeed not the same as being guilty. One is being used in the context of war, and the other is used in the Justice system.

My god how many „Israeli snipers are shooting children in the head“ statements from non-profits and doctors do we need before people finally stop peddling this „only evil hamas members are targeted“.. Just look at satellite pictures of Gaza man. Every palestinian is a target, which is why we are calling it genocide.

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Post by moogly »

nailer wrote: post #301
karim79 wrote: post #44

Itamar Ben-Gvir, just recently, stated that he wants to kill 30-40 Palestinians every night. He said so, publicly. So it is hilarious that Israel is trying to influence chatbots when shit like that is out in the open.

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Liar.

> “Not just those who pose an immediate threat — there are people there who are not worthy of life. They shouldn’t live. They’re not even people.”[1]

[1]: https://apnews.com/article/ben-gvir-israel-gaza-hamas-netany...

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Post by [deleted] »

codingisfreedom wrote: post #230
customguy wrote: post #212

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That kind of euphemism is just a joke in light of the racist and fascist rhetoric by Israeli pundits and politicians, how they call even babies terrorists, while at the same time making shit up about beheaded babies and whatnot. Even just the sheer cruelty and stupidity IDF soldiers put on display proudly, voluntarily, would wholly refute it. Israelis making their joke videos about Palestinians by itself would suffic…

I think you’ve been brainwashed so I’m out. Peace.

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Post by kakacik »

vintermann wrote: post #202
benregenspan wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ben-Gvir is loathed by 90% of Israeli society...Trump still has 33% approval Maybe that 90% number is for Tel Aviv. In national polls, they both have roughly the same approval rating.

I have a long-held feeling with Trump that his most ardent haters don't hate his specific policies, merely that he's so gauche about it, that he has no class. I have no doubt that Ben-Gvir has a similar segment of haters in Israel. They want the same things, but they don't want to do it in the style of a leering hooligan fishing for a fistfight.

From what I can see, most people hate trump as a solid bloc. The fact that he, as every populist everywhere in past centuries, pointed out to some real problems but didn't do a squat about it when he came to power and in his case massively worsened the situation, is hard to escape from. He certainly didn't rise above other populists in this.

His form is just a tiny cherry on top of very big rotting cake. Make form smooth and underlying crap won't change a bit. Hating trump ain't emotional, purely rational approach is sufficient.

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Post by api »

2001zhaozhao wrote: post #58

I suspect that this kind of tactic is going to be everywhere in a year or so. Entire fake personalities and organization websites on the Internet created just to push a narrative or to advertise a product, which completely drown out real information. At some point they may be indistinguishable from human-produced work, so the only way to verify if a site is someone's genuine opinion or AI-generated narrative is throu…

This is new? There were tons of fake news sites, fake blogs, and sock puppet and troll farm accounts before AI.

I guess the new angle might be that AI scrapers have even less discernment than humans, so you don’t have to put much effort into creating a fake front online to sell it. Humans have at least a little bit of radar for this.

… which means the AI companies now have to run input through existing models to audit it before training on it? That’s interesting.

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Post by cucumber3732842 »

wiseowise wrote: post #320
bawolff wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Propaganda is not a new thing. It might look slightly different on the internet, but it doesn't look that different. Creating organizations to push a narrative was just as much a thing 100 years ago as it is now.

Not by a single lunatic operating from their bedroom.

"Back in my day Walter Cronkite told the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth about the Gulf of Tonkin incident"

(never mind the fact that he didn't even have the full truth available to him but you get the point)

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