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Re: How Bluesky draws its logo on screenshots

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Post by TeMPOraL »

conductr wrote: post #229
MBCook wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This exists for a very good reason. It’s so if an app is showing a password or bank account number or other piece of sensitive information it doesn’t accidentally end up in a screenshot. I think there are other places sensitive information won’t show. Bluesky, and apparently others, are abusing the functionality for advertising purposes. I think it’s a good thing it’s there. This functionality should be easy for apps…

If a dev forgot to obfuscate the password and rendered it as plain text on the screen, then what are the chances they remember to program the blur into this screenshot api hook. Or why not add an alert, “what me to blur sensitive info? Yes/No”

Unfortunately there's platform-level features for marking surfaces as sensitive/secure. So your dev would typically just mark the whole app as such, and be proud of their proactive problem solving.

Re: How Bluesky draws its logo on screenshots

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Post by Perz1val »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #324
blauditore wrote: post #319

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I actually hate that apps are allowed to blank out content on screenshots, and this can't be disabled. There are apps completely mis-using it, e.g. mobile payment apps which hardly show any sensitive data in most cases, but now I can't share e.g. infos on screen with someone else easily. It's a classic case of someone discovering a feature and thinking "hell yeah, so much security" without understanding or caring abo…

> I've yet to see someone saying "oh, I'm so glad my screenshot was blacked-out because I didn't realize I was in a banking app". It feels patronizing. Yes, this. Payment apps, government apps, IM communications. The other day I almost rooted my phone in anger trying to get around this, before pausing and realizing that this would only cause even more problems with those apps, thanks to remote attestation "features".…

Then they deserve you taking a photo with a second phone

Re: How Bluesky draws its logo on screenshots

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Post by fluoridation »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #324
blauditore wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually hate that apps are allowed to blank out content on screenshots, and this can't be disabled. There are apps completely mis-using it, e.g. mobile payment apps which hardly show any sensitive data in most cases, but now I can't share e.g. infos on screen with someone else easily. It's a classic case of someone discovering a feature and thinking "hell yeah, so much security" without understanding or caring abo…

> I've yet to see someone saying "oh, I'm so glad my screenshot was blacked-out because I didn't realize I was in a banking app". It feels patronizing. Yes, this. Payment apps, government apps, IM communications. The other day I almost rooted my phone in anger trying to get around this, before pausing and realizing that this would only cause even more problems with those apps, thanks to remote attestation "features".…

On a similar note in terms of frustration, my bank ended up getting me to memorize my randomly-generated passwords twice because it blocked pasting. I guess it's to discourage writing them down in plaintext files, but I bet it just makes most people choose meaningful (and therefore weak and guessable) passwords.

Re: How Bluesky draws its logo on screenshots

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Post by duskdozer »

jvuygbbkuurx wrote: post #261
MBCook wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This exists for a very good reason. It’s so if an app is showing a password or bank account number or other piece of sensitive information it doesn’t accidentally end up in a screenshot. I think there are other places sensitive information won’t show. Bluesky, and apparently others, are abusing the functionality for advertising purposes. I think it’s a good thing it’s there. This functionality should be easy for apps…

If it's to prevent accidents, it should just prompt user to confirm saving the screenshot with sensitive information. As it is, it is just an annoyance that requires you to do stupid workarounds like taking a photo of your screen. Imagine if a password manager didn't allow you to copy the password since you might accidentally paste it somewhere incorrect.

Funny enough, that's what the big passkey folks want: https://github.com/keepassxreboot/keepassxc/issues/10407

Re: How Bluesky draws its logo on screenshots

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Post by TeMPOraL »

MBCook wrote: post #197
snailmailman wrote: post #150

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Spotify uses this and it annoys me all the time. If you screenshot what you are listening to, after the screenshot is taken spotify will open a full-screen popup to "share" the song you are listening to. This is quite dumb, especially since if you wanted to share a song via the screenshot, you can do so in the OS-level screenshot UI, and then you would close it and see Spotify's own similar version of the same UI. Sp…

I’ve seen another app do that but for a different reason. It’s for security cameras and they use it to show a “hey idiot just press the save a picture button, don’t take screenshots” popup, which is also hostile. I’m not sure why the app needs to be notified. There must be some use but I can’t think of it off the top of my head.

> I’m not sure why the app needs to be notified. There must be some use but I can’t think of it off the top of my head.

My pet theory: it's because Snapchat got big early, platforms added the feature to facilitate Snapchat's business model, and then banks started abusing it, and it stuck around "because sekhurity".

Re: How Bluesky draws its logo on screenshots

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Post by alex1138 »

zapzupnz wrote: post #302
alex1138 wrote: post #268

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re: dead, I agree. I'm so tired of flags killing discussion. This site is highly regimented What I want, as someone who vaguely leaned left and has gotten... less so, since certain revelations, are platforms that work. Where you can't just get booted off for things that are not-boot-off-worthy (sorry. wording sucks). In that view, Bluesky is something I'm interested in as a protocol. It should be something the Left a…

From your profile: > "You're posting too fast. Please slow down. Thanks." = censorship. Unaccountable [flag] = censorship. > Mass un-elaborated on downvoting = censorship; needing 500 karma to downvote = censorship. > Turn on showdead in your profile and see for yourself what people are "allowed" to comment vs what they're not. Userbase = mendacious pricks. Apparently everything is censorship and everybody else is a…

You're not wrong and I do think that specific dead comment is dead for a reason. I just get a bit bristly when I do see legitimate comments buried under flags

Re: How Bluesky draws its logo on screenshots

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Post by monegator »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #327
monegator wrote: post #307

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you don't have a share button tha generates a PDF and shares it with whomever?

Often, you don't, because the same developers of the bank app decided it's an unnecessary power user feature that doesn't fit in the MVP or something. Or, even if they add it, there's no way to save the file, only to "share" it, which 99% of the times isn't what I want, and I'm frankly tired of routing through the mail app as a workaround. At this point, at least on Android side, there exist apps whose sole purpose i…

really? I'm not suprised by shitty developers developing shitty apps but i'm still baffled. Surely the bank would be getting tons of angry emails from customers if it happened in europe

Re: How Bluesky draws its logo on screenshots

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Post by TeMPOraL »

Mtinie wrote: post #66
internetter wrote: post #32

Nobody in the comments talking about snapchat where like one of the core pillars of what "sets their service apart" is the difficulty of taking a screenshot without notifying the other party

Wasn’t that the entire premise of the product when it launched? Disappearing messages and minimal footprint so you could be confident your communications were semi-private? That was the expectation of using the product so it fits and isn’t anything like this discussion.

Yes. And because of the platforms deciding to enable that business model, we're now in a bullshit reality where the very apps that need to be screenshotted most often, are first to abuse platform features and prevent screenshots from being taken.

This deserves a longer rant, but the very premise of Snapchat was always poisonous, and is largely responsible for why, 20 years later, we're now facing extreme proposals for regulating electronic communication.

I generally disagree with the whole line of criticism techies get for "solving social problems with technology", but if there's one unambiguous case where I'd agree it was plain stupid, it's the concept of screenshot prevention, that became prominent with Snapchat. Controlling whether your recipient gets to keep the message you sent them is a purely social problem, and the answer to that in the real world has always, for good reasons, been "once sent, it's no longer yours; once received, it belongs to recipient to do with as they please".

Re: How Bluesky draws its logo on screenshots

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Post by geocar »

MBCook wrote: post #194
skiing_crawling wrote: post #29

This is phone OS developer's fault for even allowing it. When I take a screenshot, I expect to have an image of exactly whatever was displayed on the screen at the time. Its not a picture of your app, its a picture of my screen. Some banking apps used to (or still) prevent this and now some apps get a hook to insert their branding. My device serves some master other than myself.

This exists for a very good reason. It’s so if an app is showing a password or bank account number or other piece of sensitive information it doesn’t accidentally end up in a screenshot. I think there are other places sensitive information won’t show. Bluesky, and apparently others, are abusing the functionality for advertising purposes. I think it’s a good thing it’s there. This functionality should be easy for apps…

> it doesn’t accidentally end up in a screenshot

Your banking app probably has an option to disable that because it's a legal requirement in so many places: People who can't see need to use assistive tools, and that includes screenshots and friends. If you are using a tiny/stupid bank in the US, file a ADA claim and get some money. In the EU check your Ombudsman.

No, it's so you can't screen-record Netflix. The bank doesn't care about that because it's not a liability issue to them, just fetishism; no way they pay Apple and Google for this capability.

Apple and Google should step in and allow users to remove these shenanigans with a little button on the screenshot preview screen, but resist this because of Netflix et al.

Re: How Bluesky draws its logo on screenshots

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Post by TeMPOraL »

monegator wrote: post #337
TeMPOraL wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Often, you don't, because the same developers of the bank app decided it's an unnecessary power user feature that doesn't fit in the MVP or something. Or, even if they add it, there's no way to save the file, only to "share" it, which 99% of the times isn't what I want, and I'm frankly tired of routing through the mail app as a workaround. At this point, at least on Android side, there exist apps whose sole purpose i…

really? I'm not suprised by shitty developers developing shitty apps but i'm still baffled. Surely the bank would be getting tons of angry emails from customers if it happened in europe

Would they care?

They probably support proper export for business accounts. Business customers have leverage. Regular people? They're an annoying but necessary nuisance.

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