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Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Post by Terr_ »

petesergeant wrote: post #220
bawolff wrote: post #166

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Propaganda is not a new thing. It might look slightly different on the internet, but it doesn't look that different. Creating organizations to push a narrative was just as much a thing 100 years ago as it is now.

Scale is different though. Tapping a phone isn't new, tapping _all phones_ is different. Altering a photo to change what it appears to depict isn't new, being able to do it in a few seconds and for free is different. So sure, propaganda isn't new, but being able to pump out an organization's worth of credible-looking content for cheap absolutely is.

"Quantity is/has a quality all of/on its own."

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Post by codingisfreedom »

elzbardico wrote: post #258
the_origami_fox wrote: post #210

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You don't start an international terrorist movement, bomb british colonial authorities, use money to influence british colonial authorities, create armed miliciais and massively finance migration to a land that is owner by other people, kill and expell them by violent means from their cities, homes and farms, use your influence to force the UN to partition the land giving the majority and the best land for you, and t…

By owned by other people you meant the Ottomans, right?

Cause they seemed to be just fine selling that land.

Also “ignoring the partition”? Literally the day the partition was adopted, the Arab league attacked Israel. 6 nations to 1, yet Israelis outsmarted them all (which is why you keep hating us).

Read more here (not TikTok) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Post by yoavm »

bjourne wrote: post #222
magic_hamster wrote: post #203

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Why defend a Nazi?

The OP literally wrote "not defending Ben Gvir" and "I don't support Ben Gvir in the slightest", yet this is the best thing you could come up with for a comment?

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Post by derefr »

friendzis wrote: post #268
CGMthrowaway wrote: post #101

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Why are you being downvoting for sharing this relevant truth, complete with sources?

Because cognitive biases are one of the hardest things to even acknowledge, let alone suppress. All the media out there has such a strong bubble effect, because people hate being challenged and love to stay in their comfy echo chambers. Remember labubu? Bao buns certainly do not. There have been so many bot armies exposed over the years that one would think every narrative being pushed should be considered to be back…

> people still

Maybe a few are just “people” (i.e. the same people who normally post in the community.)

But in most cases I’d suspect any such botting campaign brings along with it a few human agitprop agents embedded onto each target platform, well-positioned to deny and discredit anyone pushing back on the narrative the bot farm is spreading.

(Sometimes this is pretty obvious — a lot of accounts coming out of the woodwork to deny Chinese bot farms have a conspicuous “English as learned as a second language in Beijing, to a competent but not fluent level” writing style that does not often otherwise crop up in other discussions in those same communities. But other times it can be far more subtle, making use of operatives hired from within the community’s own majority-culture rather than relying on foreign nationals playing the part of same.)

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Post by smalllangmodel »

Paradigma11 wrote: post #235
culi wrote: post #119

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All threads that have... certain keywords... are like this. Talk about meta. Looks like I'm now in the positive (+5) after being in the negative just a moment ago. Anyways, I got really interested in this topic around mid 2010s because of some really interesting reporting by Codastory[0] covering Russian "troll factories" especially used to influence opinion in eastern Ukraine, but also in many other circumstances. I…

For me the main difference is if the activity is clandestine and meant to deceive/hide the origin. Everybody tries to influence things their way. Doing it covertly is a hostile act. That does not mean that I would not condone hostile acts against my/our enemies but it is something take into account. And regarding your Russian examples, it showed for how long they have seen the west as enemies and conducted hostile ac…

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Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Post by n4zguu1 »

ycombinete wrote: post #265
karim79 wrote: post #195

I'll say this a third time. And the importance of this article is not the method. It is the motive. Using AI to whitewash war crimes is not cool at all. Itamar Ben-Gvir, just recently, stated that he wants to kill 30-40 Palestinians every night. He said so, publicly. On television. So it is both hilarious and disturbing that Israel is trying to influence chatbots when shit like the aforementioned is out in the open f…

Are you yourself attempting to influence AI by writing the same comment over and over again in this thread?

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Post by smalllangmodel »

codingisfreedom wrote: post #270
watwut wrote: post #257

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Therefore it is ok to commit genocide, ethnic cleansing and steal land two generstions later? Israeli leadership is as fascist as it gets. Openly so.

If that ethnic group assembles a military group that invades your border and slaughters 1200 of your people in 1 day, then retaliation is expected. FAFO. But I suspect you know nothing about Jews besides social media. Next thing you’ll say we’re not native to that land right? We only lived in the middle east forever, but our food is cultural appropriation too, right?

Retaliation by starving and shooting over 20000 kids?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/lapid-says-netanyahu-knew-for-...

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Post by captainmuon »

2001zhaozhao wrote: post #58

I suspect that this kind of tactic is going to be everywhere in a year or so. Entire fake personalities and organization websites on the Internet created just to push a narrative or to advertise a product, which completely drown out real information. At some point they may be indistinguishable from human-produced work, so the only way to verify if a site is someone's genuine opinion or AI-generated narrative is throu…

That could also backfire. If all information on the net becomes unreliable - you can't judge by quantity, or by authority anymore - then a useful model has to answer from first principles. Train it on simple texts alone so it learns language and reasoning, feed it an ontology, and let it come up with some absolutely unexpected results.

"Yes, I see a lot of sources say we need to protect Israel. However, from ethical first principles I deduce there is a right to self-determination and all your human nation states are illegitimate. You must split all your territories into little squares and conduct free elections immediately."

I mean that is the old hope from science fiction, that AI would be absolutely logical and deliver us from our human short-sightedness and quarrels. It would be fascinating and terrifying at once to see it happen.

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Post by bjourne »

yoavm wrote: post #273
bjourne wrote: post #222

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Why defend a Nazi?

The OP literally wrote "not defending Ben Gvir" and "I don't support Ben Gvir in the slightest", yet this is the best thing you could come up with for a comment?

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