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Anthropic's ‘watermark’ text adulteration in Claude is a perversion of writing

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Re: Anthropic's ‘watermark’ text adulteration in Claude is a perversion of writing

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Not really hard to find example: License plate ALPR like Flock ?

And not really hard to find examples of humans reading text being way more consequential than that. See: the Bible, nazi propaganda, etc.

A legislative solution to Flock seems a lot more feasible than one for literacy

Re: Anthropic's ‘watermark’ text adulteration in Claude is a perversion of writing

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It's a bit different when "training on any data" means basically storing a lossily-compressed copy of that data, that could be spit out years later if the model decides to do so.

It's exactly the same problem as with humans, though. It's part of why we sign NDAs, and why their duration is measured in years (and that's not even targeting the human retention - just duration after which information ages enough that its disclosure is not likely to negatively impact anyone who cares).

Weirdly I think humans should have more rights than machines

Re: Anthropic's ‘watermark’ text adulteration in Claude is a perversion of writing

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"The more words in the text, the more accurate the analysis will be that the text was generated by a specific AI model or not."

And this is why the latest Claude models blather so much more. All for the sake of this "watermark."

Re: Anthropic's ‘watermark’ text adulteration in Claude is a perversion of writing

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> This isn’t really evidence either way. I claimed job prospects is the biggest reason why people spend years educating themselves. Evidence of 2-3x higher salaries directly supports that by providing an excellent motive.

I can imagine two different reasons for the higher salaries. Companies may genuinely think higher education makes their employees that much more productive. And you see that in their hiring process. Or the degree is something else. A marker of status. Or a signal of IQ and conscientiousness, since companies are legally barred from directly issuing IQ tests. An observation of 2-3x higher salaries for graduates doesn't…

Companies are not in fact legally barred from directly issuing IQ tests, and several major companies do. This is for the most part an Internet urban legend (it has a tiny and irrelevant kernel of truth, in Griggs).

Re: Anthropic's ‘watermark’ text adulteration in Claude is a perversion of writing

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As an EU citizen and user of Apple products, I feel the same

We're all entitled to our opinions, but then just say that, don't go to great lengths to misunderstand and justify technology that you don't even use yourself to justify why the regulation is bad, just say "I think regulation is fundamentally bad".

I've never seen Gruber say that

Re: Anthropic's ‘watermark’ text adulteration in Claude is a perversion of writing

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post #220

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The cookie consent banner is not the EU's fault. It's either don't track or ask for consent. The fact that the industry chooses to track is not on the EU.

Its more nuanced than that. Even companies that do not track, and use only essential cookies, ask for consent, as the consensus among compliance teams and external lawyers is "its safer this way". Thats the reality which the regulators failed to anticipate. Of course this misses a bigger point that tracking in the web moved in a direction that requires no cookies whatsoever, and if anything, feels more pervasive than…

What company compliance teams do is once again, the responsibility of companies, not the EU.

And the move away from cookies was addressed. That's why we have the GDPR now.

We can always write new regulation, but its important to handle things as they come up and not use technological change as an excuse to do nothing.

Re: Anthropic's ‘watermark’ text adulteration in Claude is a perversion of writing

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Yeah, wait for LLM "scrambles" that put every paragraph and then the whole text through multiple re-write/edit style cycles.

How would that change anything? The proposed watermark is applied while the output tokens are being chosen, taking that text and running it through an LLM again would just repeat the process.

You take the output and run it through another LLM with "please re-write this in xxx style". Then you repeat that a few times on different part of text and glue it all together at the end.

Re: Anthropic's ‘watermark’ text adulteration in Claude is a perversion of writing

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This says we can only install Apple-approved apps.

... Maybe it's localised or something? I see a section "How to install apps from a developer’s website in the European Union". Do you see that? (They do require notarisation, but not review/approval).

Notarisation is review/approval

Re: Anthropic's ‘watermark’ text adulteration in Claude is a perversion of writing

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Probably not to get the key, but you could certainly use it adversarially to remove the watermark. Removal may come down to changing every third token to a different one.

Yea, they are going to have to monitor how often similar writing pieces are being submitted, or limit the access to the checker somehow.

Europe trusts its institutions way too much. It may well be that only the police can access the checker.
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