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And in spite of the name, most the people on Hacker News.

Yep. Though, given that this was originally a message board and hangout for folks deeply involved with YCombinator, and that prior to LLM Mania, the most commonly posted stuff was either "Techie 'lifestyle' blogging" or "Vapid thinkpieces", it's not surprising.

There was also a really terrible era of JavaScript frameworks coming out constantly. That all feels so quint now.

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> Almost all recent famines have been caused (either deliberately or incidentally) by government policies, not lack of money. Actually, they were caused by lack of food. > Eliminating corrupt leaders (i.e. Kim Jong Un, Vladimir Putin, etc.) Yes, which of the 757 million food insecure people is Putin responsible for their food insecurity? North Korea has about 26mil residents, so if they were all starving that'd be 3.…

> "Actually, they were caused by lack of food." This is a tautology; a lack of food can't be caused by a lack of food, as it is a lack of food. > "Yes, which of the 757 million food insecure people is Putin responsible for their food insecurity?" In Putin's case, he has caused the price of food to increase through his war on Ukraine, as the cost of fertilizer makes many agricultural products uneconomical to grow for…

I'm not arguing that governments don't cause famine directly or indirectly, I'm arguing that there are very few examples of govs that won't let food aid in. Or, enough food aid. For those specific cases, yes the only solution is to engage with the government - either pressuring them diplomatically, or by use of force. But for everywhere else, where people are going hungry because of poverty and neglect, the thing they need is literally just food, and someone willing to spend the money to get that food to them.

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> Dario must think people are stupid. All of those guys think people are stupid. That theme has been repeating over and over again.

Donald Trump still maintains a 39% approval rating among the electorate. It turns out that a lot of people are indeed quite stupid.

> Donald Trump still maintains a 39% approval rating among the electorate. It turns out that a lot of people are indeed quite stupid.

No. It's partisanship and polarization, which has little to do with intelligence.

But there's one thing that I know is stupid: assuming the reason opposite pole doesn't do what you think they should is because they're full of stupids.

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Open Philantrophy was founded by Holden Karnofsky who was Dario Armodei's roommate and is married to his sister Daniela Armodei. He now works for Anthropic, a company that is explicitly building AGI.

Thanks for making an account to post this. Working to build AI at the company that is most publicly discussing the risks posed by AI to humanity and most advocating for guardrails (while getting an immense amount of flack for implementing them independently) doesn't seem to support anything about what you, or rather the other person said, about sacrificing humanity for anything AI related.

If he believes it is as dangerous as he says while raisimg money and building it, he should STOP and work on slowing down the bubble.

Instead, he is turbocharging development, otherwise said choosing to cause harm he warns about.

That is literaly example of causing harm now and in near future, not caring about people now, only about vision.

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If Anthropic is the first to develop AGI, then everyone else becomes subordinate to Dario Amodei? And if DeepSeek is the first to get there, everyone instead becomes subordinate to Liang Wenfeng? I cannot believe that there is a threshold of intelligence where getting there first means a decisive and durable advantage. If you do believe that getting there first means ruling the world, then our viewpoints are probably…

It depends what you mean by 'subordinate' -- but even a small but persistent advantage in decision making compounds, so I can't imagine that someone getting that advantage doesn't use it to kill their competition.

No? Plenty of dumb people and dysfunctional political systems stayed for loooong or even won a lot of power.

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Thanks for making an account to post this. Working to build AI at the company that is most publicly discussing the risks posed by AI to humanity and most advocating for guardrails (while getting an immense amount of flack for implementing them independently) doesn't seem to support anything about what you, or rather the other person said, about sacrificing humanity for anything AI related.

If he believes it is as dangerous as he says while raisimg money and building it, he should STOP and work on slowing down the bubble. Instead, he is turbocharging development, otherwise said choosing to cause harm he warns about. That is literaly example of causing harm now and in near future, not caring about people now, only about vision.

https://fortune.com/2025/02/13/anthropic-hired-president-dan...

He works on the safety team and their responsible scaling policies. He literally may be working on slowing down AGI progress at Anthropic.

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If he believes it is as dangerous as he says while raisimg money and building it, he should STOP and work on slowing down the bubble. Instead, he is turbocharging development, otherwise said choosing to cause harm he warns about. That is literaly example of causing harm now and in near future, not caring about people now, only about vision.

https://fortune.com/2025/02/13/anthropic-hired-president-dan... He works on the safety team and their responsible scaling policies. He literally may be working on slowing down AGI progress at Anthropic.

They are not stopping. Simple as that. The quadrilles and regulations they ask are all about slowing down competition but not them.

Hiring own husband to safety team while you raise money for (their words!) doom machine, while you do your utmost to scare people while you try to raise even more money from investors on doom ... does not show OP was not correct in their assessment.

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> Combine excess food with amazon or army level logistics, and famine is gone. We do this. Have you ever heard of UN World Food Programme? $14B funding in 2022 (since then dropped drastically, guess why). Has it solved famine? No. Would it solve famine if it got the funding it needs? Unlikely. Because you cannot just spend billions of dollars to send amazin food parcels across the world and expect that to fix climate…

The UN estimates it would cost $93 billion a year to end world hunger ( https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/11/1166397 ) So one would expect $14b/year would solve about 14/93 = 15% of world hunger. > The World Food Programme supports over 152 million people annually and delivers life-saving food assistance where needed most. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Food_Programme ) An estimated 757 million people are food…

Basically you are asking $93b yearly at point when the biggest donor US has already slashed the funding and cannot even stop poverty insode it’s own nation. Maybe you are just trolling or arguing for sports, but you are completely missing the point why hunger and famines happen and why they cannot be solved with throwing money at them. Look at it this way, would Trump end hunger in Mississippi (about 600k people) if, say, Luxemburg would donate USA anout $400m required to end it[1]?

Mind you, UN’s Food -programme (together with education, progress of farming technologies etc) has been a huge success and hunger has dropped historically low. I couldn’t find data on how Trump’s cuts have affected the levels, but I doubt it has been a positive change by any regard.

Going back to the original allegory, just like cancer, hunger is a vastly complex problem with strong political ties (why have still have we not illegalised cigarettes for instance?) and no gee-wiz tech gadget, even as expensive as LLM model, will solve neither of them.

[1] https://www.feedingamerica.org/hunger-in-america/mississippi

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Agreed, but that doesn't change the fact that people lie in general. Most people start lying long before they reach any position of power and in many cases, lying is exaclyt how they got there. That's what makes it hard to fix: by the time someone is in power, the behavior has already been rewarded and is already doing a snowball effect. I'm not defending it (especially in Politics, it shouldn't be legal) , just ackn…

If only someone had written by many considered the greatest philosophical text about it, freely available online at project Gutenberg :) They call it The Republic.

Its recommendations are kind of fascist-like tho. We are trying to avoid that here right now.

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It's fairly easy to cure cancer by repairing DNA, but Big Pharma isn't interested because they can't patent it. They want to sell us some kind of "miracle cure" medicine that earns them trillions. The future is being held back by profit motives.

if it's that simple why haven't any other countries done this? there are countries with universal healthcare cancer is very resource intensive to treat if they could cure it so easily why haven't they done so already?

Because they don't develop medicines themselves. And there's huge political pressure to keep out of Big Pharma's backyard.
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