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Fairphone 6 and PostmarketOS working main camera

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Re: Fairphone 6 and PostmarketOS working main camera

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Post by d3Xt3r »

twiclo wrote: post #30
nekusar wrote: post #2

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The problem isn't this developer being lazy or 15 years late, it's that this hardware wasn't built for Linux and only blessed groups (with a lot of money) get access to binary blobs. The FSF has a project to reverse engineer these blobs but it takes time. Same problem Linux used to have with laptops. If you're looking for a daily driver the most reliable I've seen is the furi phone. Those guys are passionate and have…

> If you're looking for a daily driver the most reliable I've seen is the furi phone.

The Jolla C2 (SailfishOS) and Volla Phone Quintus (Ubuntu Touch) are also pretty good daily drivers, only issue is they they're only available in the EU.

Also worth keeping an eye out for the upcoming Comodore Callback (SailfishOS), which is being shipped worldwide.

Re: Fairphone 6 and PostmarketOS working main camera

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Post by digi59404 »

nekusar wrote: post #23
wtp1saac wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have any reasonable thing to add here, other than it really sucks going through forums and seeing people who go out of their way to put people down. Someone is posting about happily making contribution and getting things working on a device, literally the thing you are angry about not happening; someone is tinkering and getting stuff working and showing their tinkering, and the time is spent to put some nasty…

I didnt say "pimeys sucks". I said "Using LLMs makes a unmaintainable climate-destroying bug ridden slopfest." Does an LLM make unmaintainable code? Generally, yes. Its tremendously verbose, with structures strange for humans. Climate destroying? Depends on the LLM, but if its a US corporate based one, then yes. Just go look at the methane burners and diesel burners needed before power grid hookups years later. Clima…

You have valid points. But context matters. Today with a 1100$ 32GB AMD GPU someone can run Qwen 3.6 as a model without problem. On the same machine they’re using, or a small server. Almost zero increase to the destruction of the environment. If their house has solar.. even better!

But the slopfest and verbose code is where you’re missing the bigger picture. Model written code can be understood by other models. That means future models could improve that code even more in the future.

But the biggest thing you’re missing? If that code compiles, works, and is secure? The value to people between now and a new model making it better is something gained, not lost.

Progress doesn’t happen over night. But just because it doesn’t, doesn’t mean we stop the presses and write all the books manually because we don’t have the internet yet. It means we work with what we have, derive value from it, to use that value to invest into the future.

Re: Fairphone 6 and PostmarketOS working main camera

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Post by NewJazz »

cure_42 wrote: post #21
greatgib wrote: post #3

Great job. My advice would be to not take the frustrating and useless road of a non-profit structure for some things that you do for pleasure. The for-profit will be simpler and give you more liberties, and if, in the end, you have the good mindset that you want your creations to be shared freely, you can do it anyway. It is a state of mind.

Terrible advice

Why? Nonprofits involve a specific governance structure that may not be optimal, especially for small operations.

Re: Fairphone 6 and PostmarketOS working main camera

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Post by saidinesh5 »

zb3 wrote: post #13
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> PostmarketOS can't partner with any OEM/ODM Is there any precedent to believe that such a thing is in fact possible? > and volunteers have to use hacks I have terrible news for you about how the official firmware works. > to unofficially implement basic Android 1.0 functionality years after a device was released? Conversely, in other places it's far better than Android 1.0. But yes, if you can only start developing…

Murena could, Jolla could, GrapheneOS could do that too (possibly Nexphone also did but we'll find out; only GrapheneOS will give us flagship experience though). Of course these (except Jolla?) are still based on the Android model, but this itself doesn't preclude creating a non-user-hostile OS (of course Google would never certify it), proprietary black-box OEM code only assumes some Android elements, not the end us…

> What's wrong with pixel drivers for instance? I'm of course not talking about those written by e-waste ODMs like Tinno who can't even release GPL kernel sources properly

A couple of issues , back from my sailfish os porting days (haven't touched it in half a decade so things might have changed):

1. You would still need to run a lot of Android user space to make use of these drivers. We had a separate second init system that runs a stripped down version of Android init, starting enough services to make use of these drivers.

2. These binary drivers are tied to the kernel and Android versions that were released with the phone. So if you wanted some of the newer kernel features (back then it was like better container support), you're out of luck.

Usually, all this means you rely on a lot of hacks to fix some bugs... And porting takes a lot of time and effort.

Re: Fairphone 6 and PostmarketOS working main camera

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Post by charcircuit »

twiclo wrote: post #30
nekusar wrote: post #2

[flagged]

The problem isn't this developer being lazy or 15 years late, it's that this hardware wasn't built for Linux and only blessed groups (with a lot of money) get access to binary blobs. The FSF has a project to reverse engineer these blobs but it takes time. Same problem Linux used to have with laptops. If you're looking for a daily driver the most reliable I've seen is the furi phone. Those guys are passionate and have…

Android 1.0 was able to ship to the public with binary blobs. This problem of shipping a device and getting and using binary blobs has long been solved.

Re: Fairphone 6 and PostmarketOS working main camera

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Post by hvb2 »

SkinTaco wrote: post #38

What is that bit about Bedrijfsaansprakelijkheids­verzekering at the end? I've never heard of business liability insurance before. Does Germany not have an equivalent of an LLC?

He didn't create an LLC he's a 'stichting' which is basically a non profit with a specific goal to achieve.

He doesn't want to create an LLC because he doesn't want anyone to question his motives.

Also this is the Netherlands not Germany :)

Re: Fairphone 6 and PostmarketOS working main camera

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Post by ivan_gammel »

SkinTaco wrote: post #38

What is that bit about Bedrijfsaansprakelijkheids­verzekering at the end? I've never heard of business liability insurance before. Does Germany not have an equivalent of an LLC?

That‘s Dutch, and the same sentence mentions Netherlands. Equivalent of LLC exists everywhere, but business insurance still makes sense if you want to stay in business after paying damages.
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