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AI;DR (AI; Didn't Read)

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Re: AI;DR (AI; Didn't Read)

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Post by customguy »

CuriouslyC wrote: post #428
yoyohello13 wrote: post #276

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Wow! that comment you linked speaks to me. I was watching a review video for a game yesterday that was so obviously written by AI it was actually painful to listen to. I started reading the comments and there were several people praising this Youtuber on their great use of metaphor. Literally "subbed because you're such an amazing writer." It actually shook me to my core. If those were real people making those commen…

You realize that when people aren't told an image or text is AI generated, on average they prefer it to human created content, and it's only when they know it's AI that they rate it lower than the human content? You shouldn't be shocked by this, the last 20 years of Hollywood and pop music clearly indicates the the mass market doesn't care about craft or art, it likes to ride the vibes of what's trending.

Yeah, and you might enjoy a meal, and when someone tells you it contained 5 percent human eyeballs to give the sauce that awesome texture, and you know they're not lying, you will puke it out right on the spot.

Then you say "it's because I don't like human eyeballs in my food", and someone and replies "but the mass market clearly doesn't care. You shouldn't be shocked by this."

Re: AI;DR (AI; Didn't Read)

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Post by febusravenga »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #116
LPisGood wrote: post #56

My coworkers continue to dump hundreds of lines of AI documentation in every PR and every other line of code has between one and ten lines of AI generated comments, talking about the real unlock and how things are byte for byte identical on the load bearing path or how the acceptance ladder is misleading. Features are coming out and metrics are improving, but we’re basically in a post readability code base, with the…

Honestly, if you saved a ton of hours with the model coding for you, at least give me 30 minutes of your own words, show me you know what you're shipping, if you can't do that, then I don't know if I want to approve the PR. My first job we always did peer review in a meeting room when a PR looked a little too much, you can't exactly bring in GPT into a meeting so its a good time to ask simple questions about the chan…

(usually) You're not in position of power to effectively keep that position. As comments aroiund - standing against will mark you as anti-ai luddite and will now end well for you, not AI-spammer.

Re: AI;DR (AI; Didn't Read)

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Post by johnnyanmac »

select1 wrote: post #463
tcmart14 wrote: post #462

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That's on him to handle and it hasn't been a problem.

When it's a problem, you should both expect to be unemployed fairly rapidly. Progress isn't going to stop solely because you want to pick 'excessively long comments' as a hill to die on.

You're really insistent on project your personal biases onto a person and company you do not even know the identity of.

Turns out not every team has the idea of "progress" being yet another iteration of "more code submitted = better code". Some people actually desire or need to make quality products.

Re: AI;DR (AI; Didn't Read)

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Post by dofm »

select1 wrote: post #452
tcmart14 wrote: post #446

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Just hit "deny." I've been training my co-workers that the AI-isms their "AI Assisted coding" do that some shit just isn't acceptable. I leave a comment and hit deny. It also helps that I control the policies on the repo and they can't merge in with a denial from anyone. So it's either a fix it, or explain why your work isn't getting done. My manager is also 100% with this. I've denied for poor branch names and commi…

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Coupled with the other comment of yours that was flagged, the tone of this is completely unacceptable.

Re: AI;DR (AI; Didn't Read)

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Post by brabel »

atomicnumber3 wrote: post #486
noman-land wrote: post #113

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Have you considered talking about it? You're in a professional environment collectively working in a new way with a group of people. It's up to somebody to have opinions about what does and doesn't suck. If you silently go along and don't say anything you're dooming yourself and all of us to a lifetime of this garbage.

No, if he speaks against it he gets labeled "anti-AI" and laid off or not promoted. If he stays silent he retains his job. Corporate Capitalism's main innovation was virtualizing feudalism. Now anyone with a bit of cash flow can be a feudal lord with peasants to do his will. No need to maintain land or fight over it with other feudal lords. There's still fighting, naturally, but now the game isn't zero sum. The serfs…

> The serfs don't get any real say in this model

I am a programmer but also in management, and if I knew my team thought like that I would be horrified. We absolutely care about what the team members want , like, hate etc. I for once would love someone to bring up stuff like this to me. As long as they are as open minded about things as they would like me to be, there is no issue. But it’s a serious issue to pretend everything is fine while thinking like you say.

Re: AI;DR (AI; Didn't Read)

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Post by NateEag »

a2ff6eeb0 wrote: post #467
delecti wrote: post #170

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It's not the ocean, it's the poster's own team. A simple "AI comments suck" in a sprint retro would be trivially easy and would at least start the conversation.

It's the management desired direction, if the place is anything like my workplace. Everyone is all in on AI, and if you're not using it for everything possible, you're on the chopping block. And, really, it works. You can copy and paste between tickets and Claude, and then do manual testing. Then you tell Claude to self-review for clarity and minimalism, and stop worrying. Sure, today it's not as good as a human, but…

Your boss can get Claude to make unreadable, noisy, confusing code just as well as you can.

There may not be a career left in software development with these monstrosities, but if there is, it's in using decades of experience to get the abominations to produce something other than unreadable dreck.

If the code itself truly doesn't matter any more, programmers will no longer be paid.

Re: AI;DR (AI; Didn't Read)

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Post by Sharlin »

select1 wrote: post #463
tcmart14 wrote: post #462

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That's on him to handle and it hasn't been a problem.

When it's a problem, you should both expect to be unemployed fairly rapidly. Progress isn't going to stop solely because you want to pick 'excessively long comments' as a hill to die on.

"Progress"

Re: AI;DR (AI; Didn't Read)

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Post by johnnyanmac »

27183 wrote: post #440
LPisGood wrote: post #327

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What I’m trying to say is that they can generate many more hundreds of lines of code and comments than I can reasonably review. Maybe the comments do make sense they’re just five lines longer than they ought to be. Multiply that by 20 times and then add in 150 lines of documentation that is not technically incorrect. Not to mention that the response to each review will come with its own set of new comments and new do…

Your bosses don't want you actually reviewing it anyway. They want you to approve the PR . Just give them what they want. I'm currently not working in tech, but I will again sometime within the next year or so, and I've been reflecting on my career in light of the recent AI madness. I think the biggest mistakes I've made over the last decade+ in tech as a software engineer have been caring . I've worked at small, med…

>The industry wants to do away with code review, meaningful testing, computer security, and reliable services. Why swim upstream? You can't actually do anything about it so why try?

Because habits beget habits, and in form imprint into your identity. I'm not the biggest fan of GPA fixation, but it does have the side effect of imprinting work habits (I won't say "ethics", because the extremes I saw peers go to to get A's is anything but). It doesn't necessarily imply mastery of your class, but your ability to adjust to someone's standards and meet them. Which is something that will follow you into the workforce, and roughly correlate with people who will meet the standards of their company.

If I don't give a damn about code quality in a place I spend a third of my life, why do I expect to give a damn when I want to work on my own project in the future? Even if I try those habits will wear into something I can call my own. This might be fine if your overall goals have nothing to do with your work; that you are fine just going through the motions and getting a paycheck to empower your non-tech hobbies or focus on supporting your family. But that's not the path I've chosen.

Re: AI;DR (AI; Didn't Read)

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Post by Sharlin »

select1 wrote: post #452
tcmart14 wrote: post #446

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just hit "deny." I've been training my co-workers that the AI-isms their "AI Assisted coding" do that some shit just isn't acceptable. I leave a comment and hit deny. It also helps that I control the policies on the repo and they can't merge in with a denial from anyone. So it's either a fix it, or explain why your work isn't getting done. My manager is also 100% with this. I've denied for poor branch names and commi…

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Maybe consider some anger management therapy? Nothing you’re talking about is in any way acceptable. Physical violence at work? You can’t be serious.
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