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GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by alchemist1e9 »

andrewingram wrote: post #76
jchw wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Fable's dominance is overstated. It definitely has the lead, but quantifying what that lead actually is is really hard. I'm using GPT 5.6 Sol to do some shit that I personally would consider "crazy" - low level undocumented hardware driver alchemy, reverse engineering highly obfuscated code, even a bit of screwing around with a rendering engine in Vulkan, really just about the most complex tasks I can get any…

I used Sol to extract the remaining decryption keys from the Super Mario Maker 2 (Switch) game files. Someone had previously extracted all the keys from the original release, but not any of the new ones from updates. Not only did it succeed, but it helped me understand the data sufficiently to add support for “Super World” rendering to my level viewer (which I made back in 2021), eg the little widget at the top of ht…

Fable is almost unusable for anything but super boring mainstream stuff. I was getting safeguard flagged so often I’ve significantly reduced my usage out of fear they will blacklist/ban me.

Some of the topics it’s flagged have been hard for me to understand what it seeing that can be remotely concerning in my requests.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by jeffybefffy519 »

Reading the comments in this thread, i honestly dont get it. 5.6-sol has felt like a regression in capability. In fact, every model since 5.3-codex has been a regression from OpenAI. I just find 5.6-Sol over engineers problems, takes absolutely ages to solve basic problems....

At this point, I'm considering going back to cursor over codex due to the ability to get more control over what model I use since there is clearly a heap of user preference and having frontier providers constantly shift the goal post with "State of the Art" is complete non-sense.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by tonyhart7 »

jeffybefffy519 wrote: post #132

Reading the comments in this thread, i honestly dont get it. 5.6-sol has felt like a regression in capability. In fact, every model since 5.3-codex has been a regression from OpenAI. I just find 5.6-Sol over engineers problems, takes absolutely ages to solve basic problems.... At this point, I'm considering going back to cursor over codex due to the ability to get more control over what model I use since there is cle…

its over engineered problem solver ???? well because its a designed to do that

if you want to solve basic problem then use Luna

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by SadErn »

jeffybefffy519 wrote: post #132

Reading the comments in this thread, i honestly dont get it. 5.6-sol has felt like a regression in capability. In fact, every model since 5.3-codex has been a regression from OpenAI. I just find 5.6-Sol over engineers problems, takes absolutely ages to solve basic problems.... At this point, I'm considering going back to cursor over codex due to the ability to get more control over what model I use since there is cle…

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Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by khacvy »

drdexebtjl wrote: post #39
vorpalhex wrote: post #4

Do other people find 5.6 to be worse at most simple tasks and frequently over complicate things? I asked it to write a user todo and it turned out a four page essay. I gave the same task to 5.4 and got the small list of checkboxes I expected.

You would probably get better results with Luna for the real simple tasks, or Sol with low thinking effort. I find that I get exactly the effort that I asked for, which is pretty nice. The other side of that coin is that these are the least lazy models I’ve used so far. They will go on elaborate tangents to complete the task when I want them to.

any good best practice for effort selection on claude. I always use high as default.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by jeswin »

jeffybefffy519 wrote: post #132

Reading the comments in this thread, i honestly dont get it. 5.6-sol has felt like a regression in capability. In fact, every model since 5.3-codex has been a regression from OpenAI. I just find 5.6-Sol over engineers problems, takes absolutely ages to solve basic problems.... At this point, I'm considering going back to cursor over codex due to the ability to get more control over what model I use since there is cle…

It depends on what effort you're using etc. As an example [1] of what codex is capable of, here's hugo (written in golang) ported to TypeScript - and then a TypeScript to Rust transpiler which converts arbitrary TypeScript into Rust.

The TypeScript code which was transpiled into Rust (and is compatible with most hugo templates) runs faster than the original hugo.

[1]: https://github.com/tsoniclang/tsonic-examples/tree/main/rust...

The transpiler is still WIP, but the fact that it can do this says a lot of about how far LLMs have come.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by blovescoffee »

Noaidi wrote: post #109
throwup238 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You really think OpenAI is selling $1500/mo of electricity (at $0.05/kwh) for $200/mo? I’m guessing that Wh/token estimate is several orders of magnitude too high.

They certainly could be using that much electricity at a loss based on their profitability, which doesn’t exist. Leaked financial documents from 2025 show the company reported an operating loss of approximately $20.9 billion against $13.1 billion in revenue.

As a company... but that includes things like research costs, model training etc. to determine if they're selling electricity at a loss you should look at inference costs bc that's the "thing" they're selling

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by andai »

alchemist1e9 wrote: post #131
andrewingram wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used Sol to extract the remaining decryption keys from the Super Mario Maker 2 (Switch) game files. Someone had previously extracted all the keys from the original release, but not any of the new ones from updates. Not only did it succeed, but it helped me understand the data sufficiently to add support for “Super World” rendering to my level viewer (which I made back in 2021), eg the little widget at the top of ht…

Fable is almost unusable for anything but super boring mainstream stuff. I was getting safeguard flagged so often I’ve significantly reduced my usage out of fear they will blacklist/ban me. Some of the topics it’s flagged have been hard for me to understand what it seeing that can be remotely concerning in my requests.

The safety is really funny to me. I ask it a lot of extreme stuff and it goes through, but I ask it mundane stuff and hit the filters all the time.
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