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Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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> Estimated total force is of 15,000-20,000 armed combatants. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-has-added-up... > But official U.S. figures show that prior to Oct. 7, 2023, Hamas had anywhere between 20,000 and 25,000 fighters. All this death and destruction to leave Hamas with... roughly the same numbers? Ooof. Embarassing.

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Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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I think the difference is probably related to the ends being pursued by each of those states at the moment. Only one is engaged in what the UN, HRW, and most legal experts call a genocide. So influence operations in support of an ongoing genocide are just more noteworthy than your run-of-the-mill authoritarianism/corruption.

The difference is that they are not doing these things. This is just hasbara against other enemies that Israel is targeting. They believe that the entire Middle East was promised to them by God, and they call other people jihadis.

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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> Estimated total force is of 15,000-20,000 armed combatants. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-has-added-up... > But official U.S. figures show that prior to Oct. 7, 2023, Hamas had anywhere between 20,000 and 25,000 fighters. All this death and destruction to leave Hamas with... roughly the same numbers? Ooof. Embarassing.

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> They keep recruiting.

Yes, that’s the obvious result the rest of the world has pointed out for decades, and why this style of war is self-defeating.

Orphans make good recruits.

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Why I think this is unusually important: All four frontier models have active contracts with the Pentagon. And some might say, that alone means little. But when you take into consideration the implications of the United States-Israel FUTURES Act, whether one endorses it or not, the effects of that mentioned in TFA become quite formidable, and plausibly official. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States-Israel_FUTU…

You're right to ask these questions, unfortunately Hacker News seems pretty botted these days, and it doesn't help that there are a lot of shitty, racist people on this site. They just dress it up in nicer language.

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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There's an ongoing sms campaign at the moment, I'll share what I received including phone number so you can verify it:

From: 601-202-1149

> Hey, it's David. Curious what you think about America's relationship with Israel today. Can we chat? Stop2End

It looks to be an LLM response since it includes context from your messages, however it uses the exact same messages at the end of each question:

> One thing that often gets overlooked is how much Israel actually contributes to American security. Their intelligence sharing has helped prevent terrorist attacks on U.S. soil, and their tech innovations end up in American products and defense systems. It's less about charity and more about a two-way partnership that keeps Americans safer.

> Have you ever seen examples of that kind of cooperation?

I ended up just blocking the number.

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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> ""מה עם להיות יותר התקפי? למה לא להוריד את כל החמושים בהלוויות? תוריד כמה פעמים באוויר בהלוויות. מדוע לא מעלים מסוק לאוויר והורגים 40-30 מחבלים?". שרת התחבורה מירי רגב הצטרפה לבן גביר ואמרה: "זה רעיון מצוין"." When I searched for that quote on Kagi I found https://www.jdn.co.il/news/2210880/ ( https://archive.is/IFhqo ) As translated by Firefox 153.0.1 on Fedora 44: > Ben-Gvir wondered: “What about being more offen…

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Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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yeah sure lets defend ben gvir

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> Estimated total force is of 15,000-20,000 armed combatants.

And how many after you stop counting journalists and little kids? We've all seen what Israel is doing, no matter how they try to hide it.

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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It's been about 20 years since I read Neal Stephenson's Anathem and (SPOILERS) one thing I think about is the Reticulum, which is the Internet on this world. One aspect is that it's full of what we would now call slop. A lot of it is subtly changed by agents and there are other agents you can use (and, I assume purchase?) that will weed out the fake information. It's basically an arms race of disinformation and slop.

I've thought about this many times over the years. I think we've now reached the point where that's going to happen. And state actors seem like the obvious first offenders.

Google is relatively good at filtering out astroturfed pages from the top of search results but they've also have years when a Turkish government page denying the Armenian genocide was the top result for that event so it's a bit of a mixed bag. Google relies a lot on authority of a domain and that's been relatively effective.

It seems like this authority concept is missing from LLM training and a random comment on Reddit is treated with as much authority as an article by the New York Times. So it's now orders of magnitude easier to poison LLMs with Reddit comments and submissions. And for anyone who doesn't know, brigading Reddit is remarkably easy. It takes as little as a few hundred accounts to get something onto r/all if you're clever. Israeli hasbara operations are absolutely capable of this. And they engage in it.

I'm also reminded in a weird way of pre-atomic steel. For anyone who doesn't know, this is steel made before 1945 that is incredibly low in radiation because we hadn't detonated any nuclear bombs yet. It's valuable for making MRIs and the like that are super sensitive. We actually go and recover WW2 shipwrecks just for the steel. It is a finite resource.

Well, that's what pre-2022 written content is now. It's slop-free content to train AI models on because training them on AI slop is of much more limited value. This goes for everything from books to Youtube videos to Reddit posts. Just like pre-atomic steel, we now have pre-slop human content.

I honestly don't know where we go from here.

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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I have been reading your comments for a decade here on HN. You are no moron. But I can see you lean toward a side here. Can you, if willing, view my flagged comment and correct me. If anyone can around here, you'd be a top contender. This is not bait. I am open minded. And I am also seriously concerned about 219, which is now 1217. I might not have to ask if the subject were discussed here or elsewhere, but it isn't.…

it's just not a good faith comment. I did a few minutes of digging into their main claim, that a website called responsiblestatecraft.org is some kind of foreign-funded anti-American think-tank and found absolutely zero evidence of this

that site itself is a product of the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft which began life with funding from both Koch and Soros Foundations [0] along with donations from other fairly large and common American foundations like the Ford Foundation and the Carnegie Corporation. so for one, you have money coming from someone who survived the Holocaust that's funding a supposedly anti-Semitic site. and for two, you don't get across-the-board grants from extremely well-funded and tightly controlled givers like these without both connections within the American political establishment and the ability to stand up to donor audits, both things that a weak-on-soft-power nation state would be incapable of pulling off

so I don't think you're going to convince them with actual evidence. when you've been propagandized to your entire life and stake your entire identity around some popular belief even the mildest criticism will feel like a deep attack. it's the same for any other dogmatist, whether it's a Patriot's fan or a religious zealot

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quincy_Institute_for_Responsib...

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