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Re: Have you seen the front page of Pirate Bay?

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Hear hear. It's about time that someone pointed out that downloading gigs and gigs of movies, games, and music is just like posting a video of a kitten with copyrighted music in the background.

The part about the kitten isn't directly relevant to the pirate bay, I'll give you that. Though I look at the cartoon as more of an over all social commentary about our current state of affairs; not "this is our situation." All too often the copyright lawyers said DMCA takedowns against just such videos. Heck they've sent takedowns to youtube because a person was singing copy written music ( cough viacom cough ). As…

>"The internet allows for piracy at a scale that far surpasses the scale of sharing tapes among friends, but it's not going away and need to be capitalized on."

With services available like the Pirate Bay, an artist might have millions of fans enjoying his music but there will be no way for him to capitalize on it. The only way I can see to monetize bit torrent for artists are very indirect and way out of proportion to the enjoyment they create, akin to putting google ads on a popular website. Examples include using recorded music as an advertisement for big, expensive concerts and begging people to donate after they already have your music for free.

>"The argument that a pirated copy equals a lost sale is total bunk. I would have bought maybe 1% of what I've downloaded."

How much of that did you actually buy? For many people it is 0%.

Money has flowed out of music lately. The industry as a whole is shrinking. Downloaders sometimes say it is because "music isn't as good as it used to be". The music industry blames it on easy free downloads. I am more inclined to believe the latter. There is still lots of great music out there.

That said, I don't think there is any way to stop what is happening, and it is incumbent on artists that want to survive to deal with it as best they can. Unfortunately, that might mean going back to that day job at Starbucks for most of them.

Re: Have you seen the front page of Pirate Bay?

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post #27

The right to violate copyright is part of our human rights? Now I'm an occasional pirate (mainly TV, since I'm not in the US), but these guys are bonkers; I know pirating is wrong, however these guys seem to think that nobody should have the rights to their own work, and anyone should be allowed to take what they want without giving anything back to the owner. Is it just me, or is that absurd?

copyright violates free speech, no? If I'm forbidden from singing happy birthday to you, isn't that censoring my speech?

Re: Have you seen the front page of Pirate Bay?

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If you're not happy about how "one sided" this is, I'd suggest http://questioncopyright.org if you want a more reasoned argument.

The gist of it is that if we all abandoned copyright, we'd lose a few things, but the gains would outweigh the losses.

I agree, but I also don't like big-budget movies, and don't lay any closed-source games, so I guess I'm in the tiny minority.

Re: Have you seen the front page of Pirate Bay?

#46
post #10

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The part about the kitten isn't directly relevant to the pirate bay, I'll give you that. Though I look at the cartoon as more of an over all social commentary about our current state of affairs; not "this is our situation." All too often the copyright lawyers said DMCA takedowns against just such videos. Heck they've sent takedowns to youtube because a person was singing copy written music ( cough viacom cough ). As…

>"The internet allows for piracy at a scale that far surpasses the scale of sharing tapes among friends, but it's not going away and need to be capitalized on." With services available like the Pirate Bay, an artist might have millions of fans enjoying his music but there will be no way for him to capitalize on it. The only way I can see to monetize bit torrent for artists are very indirect and way out of proportion…

Musicians have always made a majority of their money from playing live shows(with some large exceptions, obviously). Do you need this backed up with facts? It's pretty well known. Albums are a great way to advertise your live music. It used to cost a ton of money to make a crappy recording. Now it's practically free to create a good recording.

I don't see the point of the recording industry, frankly. I'm not willing to give up my right to share with people in order to ensure that the record companies exist. Sorry. Listen to the crap that is put out by record companies. They control the radio stations. You here the same thing all day, from DJs who don't even know what they are playing. Most of the quality stuff is made without their help, they merely act as a distribution channel.

I see music as being much more home grown in the future. Maybe DJs will once again play what they like instead of what corporations force down our throats. One thing is for sure, if people love music they will continue to make it. We will be left with a lot less crap once the record companies are gone.

Re: Have you seen the front page of Pirate Bay?

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post #30

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If someone gets paid for the art they produce, then they can spend their full time on tuning their art. I wonder what the world would be like if Michaelangelo had a day job.

I hope you're saying this tongue in cheek because Michelangelo (like most of our great artists btw) ofcourse did have a dayjob. He was struggling for money for the better part of his life, taking on jobs that he hated. Where do you think the "poor artist" or "suffering for art" memes come from? There was no such thing as a "record deal" in the old times either. You had to suffer until your popularity would pay for it…

Perhaps I picked a bad example, but for most of his art he was, in fact, paid for it. And it is hard for me to imagine that he would have had the resources to create, say, the Sistine Chapel ceiling if he were doing it for free.

Of course, nowadays our idea of art is a mashup, so maybe that can mix fine with an anti-market ideology.

Re: Have you seen the front page of Pirate Bay?

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I totally agree. I feel that if something is important, than the message should not be only available to people who can afford to read/hear the message, but should be readily available for anyone who is willing to learn. Whenever I read a great book, or hear a great song, I try to promote it as much as possible because I think that it is important that the artist's message is heard and understood by as many people as…

If someone gets paid for the art they produce, then they can spend their full time on tuning their art. I wonder what the world would be like if Michaelangelo had a day job.

The reality is that is usually the marketing force behind an artist that generates his revenue, not actually the art itself. I have met so many extraordinary musicians that can shred the guitar and who write very clever music on a daily basis but will never make any money at it unless someone better looking than them takes their music and performs it. Since Meatloaf, I cannot think of any fat pop musicians. Art driven by profits is not always the best art. Coming from eastern Canada, Friday nights and weekends we have caleighs where anyone can pick up an instrument, sing or clap along, and nobody ever holds out for more money to perform. I do agree with your first sentence though, more time spent on art produces better art. But in the case of Carl Sagan who was a scientist, got his inspiration from his day job, which in turn helped him to produce his art (I include his Cosmos series as part of his art, I don't think we need to get into the debate of what is and isn't art). Its more of a sad reality that most art needs money to exist. I'm not calling for an art revolution or anything, I just wanted to point this out as some food for thought. Inspiration can come from anywhere.

Re: Have you seen the front page of Pirate Bay?

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope you're saying this tongue in cheek because Michelangelo (like most of our great artists btw) ofcourse did have a dayjob. He was struggling for money for the better part of his life, taking on jobs that he hated. Where do you think the "poor artist" or "suffering for art" memes come from? There was no such thing as a "record deal" in the old times either. You had to suffer until your popularity would pay for it…

Perhaps I picked a bad example, but for most of his art he was, in fact, paid for it. And it is hard for me to imagine that he would have had the resources to create, say, the Sistine Chapel ceiling if he were doing it for free. Of course, nowadays our idea of art is a mashup, so maybe that can mix fine with an anti-market ideology.

Michael-Angelo (one of the greatest artists of all time) is as good an example as any. But I think that he was commissioned to do the Sistine Chapel, he didn't paint the Chapel and then charge admission to it (I think the church took care of that).

Re: Have you seen the front page of Pirate Bay?

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post #45
post #29

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This isn't reddit. The CSI gui gag is not likely to get you massive upvotes here.

But saying "This isn't reddit" will get you a few.

Wasn't my intention - just trying to save the newbie some massive downvoting in the future :)
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