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GPT 5.6 Sol is the best "vision" model OpenAI ever released

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Re: GPT 5.6 Sol is the best "vision" model OpenAI ever released

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Post by heaney-555 »

bastawhiz wrote: post #150
tziki wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it definitely makes sense since it's still the best Google has to offer in the "pro" tier.

3 and 3.1 Pro are both marked as deprecated by Google. Even if they're the best Google offers, it would be foolish to choose a model that's explicitly deprecated. It's not a technical problem, it's a commercial one. If Google can't ship a model to replace the one they deprecated, that tells you everything you need to know about choosing a Gemini model for whatever you're trying to do.

3.1 Pro is not deprecated!

Re: GPT 5.6 Sol is the best "vision" model OpenAI ever released

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Post by chistev »

TZubiri wrote: post #91

Which is to say, still not ready for any production workloads yet. As in, it cannot reliably count the amount of objects in an image. Still very impressive, but nowhere near the text chat revolution. OpenAI still trying to strike their second lightning

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46444508

Re: GPT 5.6 Sol is the best "vision" model OpenAI ever released

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Post by dangoodmanUT »

I hate these "The best X thing Y has ever released".

Unlike when Apple says "it's the best iphone we've ever made", LLMs are more or less interchangeable. So "OpenAI's best model" means nothing if "Anthropic wipes the floor with them" or "[open weights model] is 10x cheaper for 1% less quality".

As a reader, it feels like these titles are click bait.

Re: GPT 5.6 Sol is the best "vision" model OpenAI ever released

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Post by fpgaminer »

zuzululu wrote: post #157
fpgaminer wrote: post #56

Gemini 3 Flash should really be included in this comparison. Or at least 3.7. In most of my testing, 3.5 and 3.6 were both a downgrade in terms of vision capabilities, relative to 3, and at a much higher cost. 3.7 is slightly better than 3, finally.

but 3.7 flash is expensive for img inputs no ?

As usual for something so simple, Google's docs seem unclear: https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/pricing

For 3, pricing for image tokens was the same as text tokens. Since they don't indicate a difference on 3.7, I would assume the same holds. And as far as I know the number of image tokens is the same for both (depending on the detail level you pick, but it's generally around 1k per image).

So they're about the same, 3.7 is slightly more expensive. At least until the end of the year (when they raise 3.7's pricing).

Anyway, my point was that 3.5 tended to have worse performance and significantly higher costs. 3 and 3.7 are both better and cheaper than 3.5.

Re: GPT 5.6 Sol is the best "vision" model OpenAI ever released

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Post by bastawhiz »

heaney-555 wrote: post #161
bastawhiz wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

3 and 3.1 Pro are both marked as deprecated by Google. Even if they're the best Google offers, it would be foolish to choose a model that's explicitly deprecated. It's not a technical problem, it's a commercial one. If Google can't ship a model to replace the one they deprecated, that tells you everything you need to know about choosing a Gemini model for whatever you're trying to do.

3.1 Pro is not deprecated!

https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/deprecations

That link shows 3.1 pro listed as deprecated with no replacement model.

Re: GPT 5.6 Sol is the best "vision" model OpenAI ever released

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Post by akoboldfrying »

rafram wrote: post #94
rib3ye wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you actually tried using it?

Of course. It’s OK, but it tends to generate very cliched “AI” UIs with little originality. Despite the skill spending a lot of time coaching the model into avoiding that!

> UIs with little originality

Sounds like the kind of UI I like. (Take me back to Windows XP...)

Re: GPT 5.6 Sol is the best "vision" model OpenAI ever released

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Post by HDBaseT »

ALLTaken wrote: post #130
ALLTaken wrote: post #74

I actually favor Qwen3.8 and run it locally + use the Token-Plan on AlibabaCloud, when I need faster results. Kind of favor it over GPT5.6 Sol. Also it seems to be more capable, need to test more, but I think it's at least getting on par and it's fully open-source and open-weights. Here's some benchmarks: https://benchlm.ai/compare/gpt-5-6-sol-vs-qwen3-8-max https://qwen.ai/blog?id=qwen3.8#full-benchmark-table (incre…

huh, why am I being shadow banned? Does YC have similar problems like those at wikipedia/reddit? (wikipedia-editor-wars, or reddit-mod-wars)

You aren't being "shadow banned".

I concur with your conclusion, Qwen 3.8 has exceptional Vision Capabilities. The other commenter mentioned "I thought Qwen 3.8 didn't have Vision", it does, just not on the open weights version, only via official API.

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