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Re: How to disable or avoid intrusive AI

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Post by sublinear »

encom wrote: post #53
sublinear wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fallback states are generally a ton of work that don't benefit the direction that the PM or broader business would want to go anyway. It's a pet peeve of mine that we often say "devs" when we really mean "the business". It seems to be gamers who started this language. They'll even call the publisher "the devs".

A developer made whatever tech is currently pissing me off. I don't care about the supply chain.

How do you feel about other hot button issues like LLMs, privacy policies, Flock cameras, etc.? By your reasoning, developers "make" those things too.

My point is just to make sure we're pointing the blame at the business where it belongs. It seems very strange how we generally do that, but make exceptions for features. Developers don't control features either. Always blame the business.

This language around "devs" is so twisted and inconsistent that I'm convinced someone is seeding this every time to deflect blame. i.e. "oops just a slip up by the devs" as if features could ever be anything but a massive premeditated effort involving dozens if not hundreds of people planning at least several months ahead of any code being written.

If you want to make a difference, you look at who is running the business. It means what a lot of fanboys cannot admit to themselves. Their favorite companies and CEOs might just be assholes.

Re: How to disable or avoid intrusive AI

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Post by starkrights »

cgyvbunji wrote: post #89
dinkleberg wrote: post #9

I recently discovered that you need to have Siri enabled for Apple CarPlay. I expect we're going to see a lot of this where when you disable the AI functionality the devs won't have put in fallback states and you'll be effectively locked out. With CarPlay for instance there is no reason that I shouldn't be able to listen to my music or use the map without Siri. But things like responding to texts does rely on Siri, s…

I don't understand why anyone likes CarPlay. It has always seemed like people like it because it's better than nothing. It's just not a good system in an objective sense.

What does “not a good system in an objective sense” even mean? In what objective measures do you see it fail in?

I and basically everyone I know love it because it and android auto are made by actual UI/UX designers that aren’t embedded systems engineers- resulting in an infotainment screen that isn’t a complete and utter piece of shit, and has actual functionality. I use my phone for everything in my car anyways, especially navigation, which historically is not included in a cars infotainment system without subscription and/or vendor lock. In that one singular regard, CarPlay is literally infinity percent better than every single built in infotainment system, because I can use my fucking cars built in screen instead of my tiny phone display to navigate using software that is infinitely more well made than whatever shit is on my cars native system (a brief note: my angry tone is not directed at you or your lack of agreement with my opinion, but at how awful I perceived the car infotainment systems of yore to be. God they were useless.)

For every objective measure I can come up with in my head and not type out, it passes with flying colors compared to the alternative- so I’d love to know where your perception differs.

Re: How to disable or avoid intrusive AI

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Post by bonoboTP »

rad-b wrote: post #2

Such a cool guide to such a bizarre problem we live in… Companies forcing features that nobody wants, but that are also expensive to operate and cost real money to run? Market can definitely stay irrational for long.

Nobody wants = nobody on bluesky. I don't get this crusade mentality.

The bigger problem with these apps is that they are proprietary and they have been spying on us.

Re: How to disable or avoid intrusive AI

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Post by cgyvbunji »

starkrights wrote: post #92
cgyvbunji wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why anyone likes CarPlay. It has always seemed like people like it because it's better than nothing. It's just not a good system in an objective sense.

What does “not a good system in an objective sense” even mean? In what objective measures do you see it fail in? I and basically everyone I know love it because it and android auto are made by actual UI/UX designers that aren’t embedded systems engineers- resulting in an infotainment screen that isn’t a complete and utter piece of shit, and has actual functionality. I use my phone for everything in my car anyways, es…

See how defensive people get about CarPlay? Why so emotionally invested? It's buggy and sucks when you are driving someone else's car or a rental. You proved my point too, which is that it's liked because it's better than everything else, not because it's objectively good.

Re: How to disable or avoid intrusive AI

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Post by andrekandre »

MoreQARespect wrote: post #65
dinkleberg wrote: post #9

I recently discovered that you need to have Siri enabled for Apple CarPlay. I expect we're going to see a lot of this where when you disable the AI functionality the devs won't have put in fallback states and you'll be effectively locked out. With CarPlay for instance there is no reason that I shouldn't be able to listen to my music or use the map without Siri. But things like responding to texts does rely on Siri, s…

I had a similar experience when I tried to search through reviews on amazon on the mobile website. The search box is gone and you're supposed to ask Rufus now.

  > you're supposed to ask Rufus now
completely off-topic but the names they give these dumb ai tools is so cringe

Re: How to disable or avoid intrusive AI

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Post by andrekandre »

fragmede wrote: post #31
dinkleberg wrote: post #9

I recently discovered that you need to have Siri enabled for Apple CarPlay. I expect we're going to see a lot of this where when you disable the AI functionality the devs won't have put in fallback states and you'll be effectively locked out. With CarPlay for instance there is no reason that I shouldn't be able to listen to my music or use the map without Siri. But things like responding to texts does rely on Siri, s…

With Apple intelligence turned on, when I take a screenshot on my iPhone, it wants me to do this search that goes to temu, instead of the text selection that it used to do. So I turned it off, but I have to turn it back on to have auto translation in iMessage.

yes! i just did this today as well. the product direction at apple is completely messed up imo

Re: How to disable or avoid intrusive AI

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Post by andrekandre »

michaelt wrote: post #58
freeone3000 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody using it is actually the ideal outcome. AI features are added, at no additional cost to the consumer, to extract money from investors . If customers began using the product, this feature would actually start having an ongoing cost.

I suspect it's also a defensive move. Imagine you make a widely hated product targeted at huge corporations. Workday, Jira, Oracle Financials, anything like that. Then you find that all your users are using ChatGPT to automate their interactions with your product. Instead of your product being crucial to your customers' business and almost impossible to replace, it's turning into a dumb pipe connecting LLMs - and loo…

  > That makes your product stickier, and lets you charge more too.
not for jira, that things ai is garbage and gets in the way most of the time (and same for a lot of companies imo)

Re: How to disable or avoid intrusive AI

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Post by andrekandre »

gumby271 wrote: post #22
Legend2440 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many people do like AI tools and use them regularly. ChatGPT has nearly a billion weekly active users. It's just that another group of people absolutely hates the idea of AI and wants it to go away.

I think people like AI tools when it's their choice to engage with them and they set the terms. I have a good experience with Claude largely because I choose when to use it and when I don't care about it's existence, its gone. But the stupid glowing, animated, overlapping Copilot button in Word is the dumbest thing imaginable. I don't want it, and I cant stop being reminded of it. The simple distinction of pro vs ant…

  > I think people like AI tools when it's their choice to engage with them and they set the terms.
exactly, stop shoving ai in my face and let me go to it when i want/need it

Re: How to disable or avoid intrusive AI

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Post by lpcvoid »

jessamyn wrote: post #93
kennywinker wrote: post #82

Switch to linux, that's what I did. Literally. The endless waves of companies forcing LLMs down our throats and into our workflows drove me off the mac. And windows is worse, which leaves linux.

Which Linux phone do you prefer?

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