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Re: How to disable or avoid intrusive AI

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Post by semiquaver »

dinkleberg wrote: post #9

I recently discovered that you need to have Siri enabled for Apple CarPlay. I expect we're going to see a lot of this where when you disable the AI functionality the devs won't have put in fallback states and you'll be effectively locked out. With CarPlay for instance there is no reason that I shouldn't be able to listen to my music or use the map without Siri. But things like responding to texts does rely on Siri, s…

Apple considers siri essential for CarPlay and I don’t really disagree. Don’t forget that a big part of the design of CarPlay tries to explicitly discourage tactile use while driving, with siri as the alternative input/output method.

Re: How to disable or avoid intrusive AI

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Post by gumby271 »

Legend2440 wrote: post #19
rad-b wrote: post #2

Such a cool guide to such a bizarre problem we live in… Companies forcing features that nobody wants, but that are also expensive to operate and cost real money to run? Market can definitely stay irrational for long.

Many people do like AI tools and use them regularly. ChatGPT has nearly a billion weekly active users. It's just that another group of people absolutely hates the idea of AI and wants it to go away.

I think people like AI tools when it's their choice to engage with them and they set the terms. I have a good experience with Claude largely because I choose when to use it and when I don't care about it's existence, its gone. But the stupid glowing, animated, overlapping Copilot button in Word is the dumbest thing imaginable. I don't want it, and I cant stop being reminded of it.

The simple distinction of pro vs anti ai isn't the root cause, its about individual control and choice which can span both of those stances.

Re: How to disable or avoid intrusive AI

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Post by Isamu »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #16

Good list! Removing as much as possible all AI and surveillance features, then carefully adding back the very few I want is the way I roll.

So the next iteration of surveillance features is to silently double down on users that turn off surveillance, because why would they do that unless they have something to hide? Better flag this user for extra super-secret surveillance and an immediate notification to authorities.

Re: How to disable or avoid intrusive AI

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Post by skinfaxi »

semiquaver wrote: post #21
dinkleberg wrote: post #9

I recently discovered that you need to have Siri enabled for Apple CarPlay. I expect we're going to see a lot of this where when you disable the AI functionality the devs won't have put in fallback states and you'll be effectively locked out. With CarPlay for instance there is no reason that I shouldn't be able to listen to my music or use the map without Siri. But things like responding to texts does rely on Siri, s…

Apple considers siri essential for CarPlay and I don’t really disagree. Don’t forget that a big part of the design of CarPlay tries to explicitly discourage tactile use while driving, with siri as the alternative input/output method.

Would be interesting to see anti competition law applied here, too. Essentially bundling the two together, leveraging the market for car play to gain adoption for Siri.

Re: How to disable or avoid intrusive AI

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Post by [deleted] »

dinkleberg wrote: post #9

I recently discovered that you need to have Siri enabled for Apple CarPlay. I expect we're going to see a lot of this where when you disable the AI functionality the devs won't have put in fallback states and you'll be effectively locked out. With CarPlay for instance there is no reason that I shouldn't be able to listen to my music or use the map without Siri. But things like responding to texts does rely on Siri, s…

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Re: How to disable or avoid intrusive AI

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Post by skinfaxi »

Legend2440 wrote: post #19
rad-b wrote: post #2

Such a cool guide to such a bizarre problem we live in… Companies forcing features that nobody wants, but that are also expensive to operate and cost real money to run? Market can definitely stay irrational for long.

Many people do like AI tools and use them regularly. ChatGPT has nearly a billion weekly active users. It's just that another group of people absolutely hates the idea of AI and wants it to go away.

How many people prefer having an AI gate customer support, for instance? I don't think we are talking about two groups here.

Re: How to disable or avoid intrusive AI

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Post by Nextgrid »

marginalia_nu wrote: post #18
freeone3000 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody using it is actually the ideal outcome. AI features are added, at no additional cost to the consumer, to extract money from investors . If customers began using the product, this feature would actually start having an ongoing cost.

Thing with investor money is that after a while the investors start asking where their dividends are at. If you put all that money toward building features nobody asked for, you're in for a rough time.

> after a while the investors start asking where their dividends are at

By then, a new fad will come in and you can just pivot to it.

We went from "engagement" (with no concrete plans to monetize said engagement), through a brief period of "blockchain" and now finally AI.

Re: How to disable or avoid intrusive AI

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Post by cryzinger »

semiquaver wrote: post #21
dinkleberg wrote: post #9

I recently discovered that you need to have Siri enabled for Apple CarPlay. I expect we're going to see a lot of this where when you disable the AI functionality the devs won't have put in fallback states and you'll be effectively locked out. With CarPlay for instance there is no reason that I shouldn't be able to listen to my music or use the map without Siri. But things like responding to texts does rely on Siri, s…

Apple considers siri essential for CarPlay and I don’t really disagree. Don’t forget that a big part of the design of CarPlay tries to explicitly discourage tactile use while driving, with siri as the alternative input/output method.

Interestingly, I have Google Assistant more or less disabled on my Android phone, but it still works when I have Android Auto enabled (which is fine by me since that's the one time that I ever want to use it).
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