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Universal health coverage could save $1T and 114k lives a year: study

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What about quality of care tradeoffs? In Canada, for example, you are forced to use the government system, and if it doesn't deem you important enough, there is no private option.

The private option is medical tourism to Buffalo or whatever.

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In a more sane world the Republican Party would be in favor of universal health coverage. How many potential entrepreneurs stay working at BigCorp because they need the health benefits? How many small businesses are crushed by the cost of providing healthcare to their employees? It would be great for business to remove any involvement they have in personal healthcare. But I suppose they are the party of big business,…

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Re: Universal health coverage could save $1T and 114k lives a year: study

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In a more sane world the Republican Party would be in favor of universal health coverage. How many potential entrepreneurs stay working at BigCorp because they need the health benefits? How many small businesses are crushed by the cost of providing healthcare to their employees? It would be great for business to remove any involvement they have in personal healthcare. But I suppose they are the party of big business,…

The party in the pocket of BigCorp, that party...?

Re: Universal health coverage could save $1T and 114k lives a year: study

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post #15

In a more sane world the Republican Party would be in favor of universal health coverage. How many potential entrepreneurs stay working at BigCorp because they need the health benefits? How many small businesses are crushed by the cost of providing healthcare to their employees? It would be great for business to remove any involvement they have in personal healthcare. But I suppose they are the party of big business,…

In what world is the Republican Party pro entrepreneur/small business enough to make these rhetorical questions meaningful?

When they make campaign promises, they go to small towns and talk about "Main St" businesses. Not sure why anyone believes them at this point (for the reasons you mention), but it is what they campaign on.

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post #15

In a more sane world the Republican Party would be in favor of universal health coverage. How many potential entrepreneurs stay working at BigCorp because they need the health benefits? How many small businesses are crushed by the cost of providing healthcare to their employees? It would be great for business to remove any involvement they have in personal healthcare. But I suppose they are the party of big business,…

In what world is the Republican Party pro entrepreneur/small business enough to make these rhetorical questions meaningful?

I think republicans could get behind some measure of portable health plans between employers. What they could not get behind is universal, in the sense of "everyone living in USA" health care footed by the US Government. The objection would be about centralization of health care funding and about, you know, who would get the benefits.

Re: Universal health coverage could save $1T and 114k lives a year: study

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post #15

In a more sane world the Republican Party would be in favor of universal health coverage. How many potential entrepreneurs stay working at BigCorp because they need the health benefits? How many small businesses are crushed by the cost of providing healthcare to their employees? It would be great for business to remove any involvement they have in personal healthcare. But I suppose they are the party of big business,…

The Republican party is not a Conservative party, its a Reactionist party of capital, so generally anything that threatens the interests of capital will be absolutely crushed.

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post #15

In a more sane world the Republican Party would be in favor of universal health coverage. How many potential entrepreneurs stay working at BigCorp because they need the health benefits? How many small businesses are crushed by the cost of providing healthcare to their employees? It would be great for business to remove any involvement they have in personal healthcare. But I suppose they are the party of big business,…

In what world is the Republican Party pro entrepreneur/small business enough to make these rhetorical questions meaningful?

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Re: Universal health coverage could save $1T and 114k lives a year: study

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The last time we got similar results in the data (but not the text) was a Koch-backed study that a bunch of economists reviewed and went “so you’re saying we’d save 2 Trillion over 10 years relative the alternative?”

https://pnhp.org/news/the-mercatus-analysis-of-bernie-sander...

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#49
I've become so cynical that I think even if universal health coverage would be passed, since it almost certainly would be run by the executive branch, it would become just another political football to be fucked with every 4 to 8 years.

Just think, if we had universal health care in the US today, the MMR vaccine would not be covered by it!

Re: Universal health coverage could save $1T and 114k lives a year: study

#50

What about quality of care tradeoffs? In Canada, for example, you are forced to use the government system, and if it doesn't deem you important enough, there is no private option.

Interesting. In every European country I know of, the private option is still available. Just vastly cheaper and more beneficial due to having to compete with a public option which covers basic necessities, surgery etc.
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