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Re: Incident with Github.com [resolved]

#531
I thought by the near-unanimous distaste for IIS we would have learned our lesson about making Microsoft products a central part of infrastructure, but evidently I was wrong.

I shit on Microsoft a lot here, but it’s not because the workers are dumb or that all their products are “bad”, because they’re not. It’s because the company very clearly is only ever focused on “the next marketable product”, and will let their existing products rot.

You can see this with a lot of Microsoft products. Windows NT was a a pretty cool OS/kernel at its time. NTFS was a pretty neat filesystem when it was new. They employ smart people for enough time to make a big headline, then make no effort to keep those products any good.

Re: Incident with Github.com [resolved]

#532
What I want:

A self hosted version of GitHub that is a precise mirror of an actual GitHub repository. That is, PRs from GitHub appear on the selfhosted instance and my reviews from the self hosted instance appear on GitHub. That way I can work on my private instance when GitHub is down (or slow) and I can be assured my work still appears to everyone online.

Does this exist?

Re: Incident with Github.com [resolved]

#533

The exponential growth they are having right now is absolutely insane. I would caution against assuming its an easy problem, or that anyone else has demonstrated an ability to handle this level of scale/growth any better. In May they had to solve for 30x growth overnight, and I would guess its closer to 100x by now. The reality is a centralized solution like this may no longer be a viable option with the scale of cod…

Have your seen safe_sleep.sh?

Re: Incident with Github.com [resolved]

#534
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This is starting to feel like Twitter. For a variety of reasons, we had a centralized place where everyone of a particular set of persuasions could connect, and this had outsize benefits for the community as a whole. That place is becoming untenable, and with the loss of goodwill and stability, the community’s started to dissipate. But there isn’t one obvious transition candidate, so the diaspora is finding itself sp…

Good. Git is a decentralized version control solution. It's built for this. The centralization around GitHub was beneficial for the initial proliferation of Git, but has long since become a net negative. The "community" you speak of was never bound to GitHub. Better alternatives have emerged and for many it's time to move to greener pastures.

Re: Incident with Github.com [resolved]

#535
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They _are_ the LLM coding agent vendor, and are _owned_ by MS, the ~majority~ biggest shareholder of OpenAI. How can you NOT consider that 20x+ scaling in your capacity roadmap projections, where you are trying to get everyone to use these agents as part of your core OKRs? Or, maybe your #1 IT priority was moving everything to Azure instead ;)

> the majority owner of OpenAI Largest shareholder (27%), not majority.

Plurality should have been the operative word.

Re: Incident with Github.com [resolved]

#537

To everyone who is angry: calm down. Github’s servers are constantly on fire as their usage increased something like 50x due to LLM sloppers pushing large amounts of trash code Unless you have a emergency hotfix (you don’t), go hit the gym or walk outside. If a work tool going down triggers you enough mentally to start angrily ranting online, it’s a sign you need to chill out and focus more on your health

That's an overly optimistic view of things. For a lot of us GitHub is critical infrastructure, which if it goes down loses us and our customers money.

GitHub Enterprise Cloud has been chugging along with no issues. I hope your critical infrastructure isn't dependent on a free tier / service. And that you have a business continuity process in place.

Re: Incident with Github.com [resolved]

#538

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just use GitHub for the basics: repo hosting, reviews and actions - what are the "social media psyop manipulations"? I've never really paid much attention to the other features.

All the metrics based around how many commits you have made, how many stars your repo has, etc. Why is that info gamified? Its a dopamine addiction channel.

Seriously?

Re: Incident with Github.com [resolved]

#539

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are plenty of alternatives for git hosting. The last thing which needs to be migrated before we get an exodus off this vibe coded monstrosity is reputation (i.e. github stars) which are inherently sticky.

Git doesn't even need to be "hosted" anywhere. That's the point of it being distributed. What needs to be hosted somewhere are all the barnacles (like issue tracking, code reviewing, CI, and so on) that have grown out around git, that people and businesses have become dependent on.

LFS files sorta do need to be hosted. At least, it exists because full clones are untenable for many projects.

Re: Incident with Github.com [resolved]

#540

I encourage everyone to switch to Forgejo. We ditched GitHub and could not be happier. The experience is smoother, faster and distraction-free. Our runners are faster, our CI is smoother than ever. Transitioning was a matter of a few hours, which we took as a fun hackaton.

How complex is the CI migration? We’re heavily dependent on GitHub Actions and the full GitHub ecosystem by extension, but by the same token these frequent outages are destroying us.
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