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Re: Incident with Github.com [resolved]

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Post by artyom »

dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #398
IncandescentGas wrote: post #343

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good. That's a gain, not a loss. We're better off without social media psyop manipulations and subscription services bolted onto our code repositories. We're better off without a giant evilcorp getting wholesale access to a large majority of the world's source code.

I just use GitHub for the basics: repo hosting, reviews and actions - what are the "social media psyop manipulations"? I've never really paid much attention to the other features.

It's good you can isolate yourself from it. But there's plenty of cases.

Open source maintainers being harassed or being demanded work through Github's issues. Or being feed AI slop to review endlessly. Or recruiters filtering resumes via Github activity graphs or repository stars.

And obviously the side shady market of all of the above (e.g. buying/selling popularity).

Like the parent comment, I can't wait for social media to be completely obliterated from code repositories.

Re: Incident with Github.com [resolved]

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Post by efficax »

s_dev wrote: post #145

I recall reading years ago that cloud services were expected to run with a reliability of 3 or 4 '9's and that if they didn't competing services would quickly overtake them in adoption. The industry was supposed to be that cut throat. Has big tech reached a similar status like banks in that they are "too big to fail" i.e. when they do fail we all just look the other way and say: "well everyone else is out too". Didn'…

I think AI is going to change this. Once you've built around github you feel locked in, since moving all your CI and other actions out of there, and your workflows out of there, is labor intensive. Now you could migrate from github to another service in a week, maybe less depending on how many workflows you need to move.

Re: Incident with Github.com [resolved]

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Post by abelanger »

If you really need to merge and deploy, I've been having some luck getting things moving with the gh cli:

    gh pr review  --approve
    gh pr merge  --squash --delete-branch
Might not help your deploy process if webhooks are degrading, but at least it can keep your remote in sync with local changes, if you need to deploy from local.

Re: Incident with Github.com [resolved]

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Post by penultimatename »

parthdesai wrote: post #412
aurareturn wrote: post #375

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was in the middle of a hot fix. Our pipeline goes through Github.

That's understandable, but surely there's a way to bypass it? You need to have a breakglass procedures lol

“lol just use a workaround” doesn’t work in an environment with hundreds or thousands of employees coupled with audit, security, and other legal requirements to ship software.

Re: Incident with Github.com [resolved]

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Post by Xirdus »

AlexandrB wrote: post #187
noosphr wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Luckily we already have a distributed version control system that can take over github: https://fossil-scm.org/home/doc/trunk/www/index.wiki I suppose people can use git too if they ever figure out how to send emails from a dedicated client.

> Luckily we already have a distributed version control system that can take over github Surprised that this wasn't just a link to Git. The biggest benefit of Git over predecessors was that it enabled decentralization. Github re-centralized the common case for the sake of convenience.

The biggest benefits of Git over predecessors were branching, 3-way merge, and history rewrites (in particular, rebase and squash). As much as Git fans wanted decentralization to be a major selling point, decentralization has never been a major selling point.

Re: Incident with Github.com [resolved]

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Post by watwut »

Arubis wrote: post #99

This is starting to feel like Twitter. For a variety of reasons, we had a centralized place where everyone of a particular set of persuasions could connect, and this had outsize benefits for the community as a whole. That place is becoming untenable, and with the loss of goodwill and stability, the community’s started to dissipate. But there isn’t one obvious transition candidate, so the diaspora is finding itself sp…

I think that especially when it comes to hosting, competition is good. Everything centered on github was the bad state previously. I remember people on HN claiming they wont hire someone without github account.

This splintering should happen more often.

Re: Incident with Github.com [resolved]

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Post by mhovd »

I really wish I could move to a different provider, but GitHub is just so damn practical. Downtimes such as this should at least be compensated, providing an actual financial incentive to improve their services, instead of slapping AI on yet another product.

Re: Incident with Github.com [resolved]

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Post by zipy124 »

forestry wrote: post #434
vanillax wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By switching to Azure....

Do you have some information that it’s Azure related that isn’t public?

it seems to be coinciding with teams and other microsoft services having issues would be some indication, but some other non microsoft products are also having a bit of a spike too.

NB: I am not OP but just providing some context as to why they might think this.

Re: Incident with Github.com [resolved]

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Post by fallingbananna »

IncandescentGas wrote: post #343
Arubis wrote: post #99

This is starting to feel like Twitter. For a variety of reasons, we had a centralized place where everyone of a particular set of persuasions could connect, and this had outsize benefits for the community as a whole. That place is becoming untenable, and with the loss of goodwill and stability, the community’s started to dissipate. But there isn’t one obvious transition candidate, so the diaspora is finding itself sp…

Good. That's a gain, not a loss. We're better off without social media psyop manipulations and subscription services bolted onto our code repositories. We're better off without a giant evilcorp getting wholesale access to a large majority of the world's source code.

Personally I never engaged in the community aspect of GitHub.

In my eyes it would be a ginormous gain to our colective mental health to not have the expectation to contribute to open source projects for free, or to have "green squares" every day on a public GitHub profile.

Re: Incident with Github.com [resolved]

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Post by toastal »

The PSA is that you should always have a mirror—even if just a bare repo folks can pull from during downtime.

…& this is ignoring all the moral reason for avoiding US-based, publicly-traded, proprietary software for host largely free software. They also deny access to users due to US sanctions, privacy-conscious users won’t want to create accounts/agree to ToS, & rubbing shoulders with other corpos your project can be taken down if it upsets the corpos don’t like it (see youtube-dl, Switch emulators, etc.).

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