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Re: Incident with Github.com [resolved]

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Post by TZubiri »

ieie3366 wrote: post #100

To everyone who is angry: calm down. Github’s servers are constantly on fire as their usage increased something like 50x due to LLM sloppers pushing large amounts of trash code Unless you have a emergency hotfix (you don’t), go hit the gym or walk outside. If a work tool going down triggers you enough mentally to start angrily ranting online, it’s a sign you need to chill out and focus more on your health

is the infrastructure of the free tier shared with that of paid users? That might be the issue. Otherwise if usage of paid users scales, then it would be fine.

Re: Incident with Github.com [resolved]

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

AlexandrB wrote: post #167
askonomm wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's an overly optimistic view of things. For a lot of us GitHub is critical infrastructure, which if it goes down loses us and our customers money.

Boomer opinion but trusting third parties to be critical infrastructure, especially with no SLA in sight, will always end in tears. "The cloud" is very convenient, but its providers will never care about your infrastructure or your customers as much as you will.

People are already saying things like "We need a plan B in case we urgently need to deploy a fix to production, and GitHub Actions is unavailable again".

But in general, it's not feasible to do everything in house.

And I don't think that GitHub is devoid of SLA: https://github.com/customer-terms/github-online-services-sla

The issue is that they're not achieving two nines uptime in practice.

Re: Incident with Github.com [resolved]

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Post by nlightcho »

bhouston wrote: post #130

What is the best Github alternative that has something like Github Actions? What is the easiest to switch to? I do not want to switch but it is having too much of an impact on me. It is time to give up on Github. This is just too much.

I am building an MIT-licensed compatible alternative to GitHub Actions at github.com/automata-ci/automata. Very early in development but it already runs some of our internal workflows.

Re: Incident with Github.com [resolved]

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Post by neo_doom »

ieie3366 wrote: post #100

To everyone who is angry: calm down. Github’s servers are constantly on fire as their usage increased something like 50x due to LLM sloppers pushing large amounts of trash code Unless you have a emergency hotfix (you don’t), go hit the gym or walk outside. If a work tool going down triggers you enough mentally to start angrily ranting online, it’s a sign you need to chill out and focus more on your health

Agreed. This impatience culture is so toxic. Been down less than 30 mins.

Re: Incident with Github.com [resolved]

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Post by Aachen »

fzumstein wrote: post #190

Funny enough, I received a marketing email from GitHub during the outage with the following subject: "What if every pull request you started actually shipped"

Huh, they usually do? I'm not a full-time developer though so I'm surely biased towards doing the obvious quick fixes or already-discussed things, but discussing how to solve a problem before throwing something at the wall seems like the normal thing to do for me

Or is their point about abandoned projects where the dev never clicks release after merging, or even never merges?

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Post by jeremyjh »

AlexandrB wrote: post #187
noosphr wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Luckily we already have a distributed version control system that can take over github: https://fossil-scm.org/home/doc/trunk/www/index.wiki I suppose people can use git too if they ever figure out how to send emails from a dedicated client.

> Luckily we already have a distributed version control system that can take over github Surprised that this wasn't just a link to Git. The biggest benefit of Git over predecessors was that it enabled decentralization. Github re-centralized the common case for the sake of convenience.

Yes but on Earth every project needs a canonical main branch. Most also need a way to manage and review changes to that branch that all project members have direct access to.

Re: Incident with Github.com [resolved]

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Post by TZubiri »

askonomm wrote: post #139
ieie3366 wrote: post #100

To everyone who is angry: calm down. Github’s servers are constantly on fire as their usage increased something like 50x due to LLM sloppers pushing large amounts of trash code Unless you have a emergency hotfix (you don’t), go hit the gym or walk outside. If a work tool going down triggers you enough mentally to start angrily ranting online, it’s a sign you need to chill out and focus more on your health

That's an overly optimistic view of things. For a lot of us GitHub is critical infrastructure, which if it goes down loses us and our customers money.

And it's not just the user's fault, GH spent a considerable effort in marketing to position themselves as such, see Github Actions and similar junk.

Re: Incident with Github.com [resolved]

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Post by slowin »

stingraycharles wrote: post #52
khvn26 wrote: post #29

I had a lot of goodwill for GitHub but I think today is the tipping point. Looking at a unicorn page, I feel this lingering hope that it's transient (like it usually was in the old days) but my mind reassures me it's probably going to be a long full outage again. The hope is dead.

I’m willing to give them a break as I’m assuming they have a lot of scaling problems due to the influx of LLM assisted coding. But maybe I’m wrong?

Services like Facebook have orders of magnitude more activity than GitHub and manage much better uptime.

Re: Incident with Github.com [resolved]

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Post by anonymousab »

ieie3366 wrote: post #100

To everyone who is angry: calm down. Github’s servers are constantly on fire as their usage increased something like 50x due to LLM sloppers pushing large amounts of trash code Unless you have a emergency hotfix (you don’t), go hit the gym or walk outside. If a work tool going down triggers you enough mentally to start angrily ranting online, it’s a sign you need to chill out and focus more on your health

Allowing and accepting the LLM load is a willful choice they made and are making at the expense of their users, including their paying enterprise users.

They could easily tighten things up in that regard, and make a choice that is right for their main users at the expense of The MS corpo mandate/mission. It is a choice to do otherwise.

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