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Re: Show HN: 1667, a terminal UI for writing fiction with language models

#31

This sucks. Sorry. If you can't write on your own, don't write at all. Extremely disappointed that anyone is giving this votes.

There are some good use cases, personal fiction, etc. The issue is mostly people not disclaiming it’s AI. I can’t get mad at the tool builder. Neither can I assume the worse of every user.

That being said, I wouldn’t have published something like this because I do assume the worse.

But it’s morally wrong to assume every one lacks honesty…

Tough one

Re: Show HN: 1667, a terminal UI for writing fiction with language models

#33
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

sorry i'm a writer who edits... this project is genuinely interesting and i'm curious to see where it goes. i would try to market it as ML instead of AI, given the current temperature of AI in publishing and writing circles. if somebody can improve upon track changes in a git-like, narrative-tree way, then that might be super useful tool!

I think we're both looking for the same improvements and I haven't found them in a writing tool yet: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49331036

Yeah many are trying to solve this. It's really not easy to get the UX right. Git changes can get deep and wide

I wanted to have a simple way to navigate my story in a tree form but cli is really not great in displaying those. Lazygit is the best imo but still not great. WebUIs are not really better

Looms seem to work a bit better, which is also what 1667 is based on. But still I don't know needs work

https://cyborgism.wiki/hypha/loom

Re: Show HN: 1667, a terminal UI for writing fiction with language models

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not a slop book producer. I mean it is but mostly for a niche of off grid weirdos like me. We are not writing for the public. It's like fanfic. On off grid forums and discords. I think if someone wanted to produce a slop book for amazon with 1667 there are easier tools for that.

Here's a question. Tangential I know. "Digression!" If you had a kid, let's say 6 years old, and they had a "super hero" they wrote stories about. What would it mean, if you took away their creative process and replaced it with this. Does that child have a lesser "life-experience?" Or not? What about you?

But I'm not taking it away. I'm adding to it. I'm also writing my own stories. My post marketed it the wrong way I think. I'm suddenly getting a lot of hate mail in my inbox.

What it really is is a kind of choose your own adventure. You can be 6 years old and write stories and then an hour later play a choose-your-own-adventure game and no one would find that weird

Re: Show HN: 1667, a terminal UI for writing fiction with language models

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post #5

Why would you want to write fiction with language models? Serious question. What you would become, in effect, is the fictional Soviet 'writer' from Sam Kriss' 2011 short story 'The Machine'. https://samkriss.com/2011/10/01/the-machine/ I do not think there is anything to aspire to in that.

World building, story boarding/ story arc building, etc are great uses for an LLM in fiction.

Sure, if you don't actually want to do the work of, you know, making something

Re: Show HN: 1667, a terminal UI for writing fiction with language models

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post #5

Why would you want to write fiction with language models? Serious question. What you would become, in effect, is the fictional Soviet 'writer' from Sam Kriss' 2011 short story 'The Machine'. https://samkriss.com/2011/10/01/the-machine/ I do not think there is anything to aspire to in that.

My friend was absolutely obsessed with writing character backgrounds and world setting stories using ChatGPT for a while. It took almost a year for him to come up for air and realize all the stories were effectively the same, and the hooks/tricks/twists were all very generic. it can be addictive to tell stories with friends or world-build, so why not a 'friend'?

Yeah that's why I spend time on discords to share. You can very quickly fall into this llm psychosis adjacent place where you just go round and round

Re: Show HN: 1667, a terminal UI for writing fiction with language models

#37
Hm, I want something like this, except it doesn't write for you at all, instead it helps you build out your storyline, gives you writing prompts and feedback, maybe sometimes suggests ideas if you feel stuck, helps keep your character/story bible in order and text aligned with it, and gives you encouragement and visual feedback as you go along.|

Maybe add in some different "AI reviewer" type things, one to read broadly for enjoyment and give feedback, another as an editor to fine-tune particular sections. Even with these it should provide feedback, not re-written sections.

But I love the TUI approach and keeping things simple and organized for you, so you don't have to bother with all that. Bonus if it had some nice LaTeX / epub / PDF / html reader output.

Re: Show HN: 1667, a terminal UI for writing fiction with language models

#38
post #31

This sucks. Sorry. If you can't write on your own, don't write at all. Extremely disappointed that anyone is giving this votes.

There are some good use cases, personal fiction, etc. The issue is mostly people not disclaiming it’s AI. I can’t get mad at the tool builder. Neither can I assume the worse of every user. That being said, I wouldn’t have published something like this because I do assume the worse. But it’s morally wrong to assume every one lacks honesty… Tough one

I just fundamentally disagree with this. On one hand, sure, you can argue that there is no direct harm caused by using LLMs to generate fiction for personal consumption. But on the other hand, I feel like there is a deep spiritual deadening that arises when we no longer must engage with the works of others to find fiction that satisfies our tastes. You have niche interests? What you want to read doesn't exist in a meaningful quantity or even at all? Great! You should write it! But you should do so yourself rather than asking a computer to regress your great idea to the mean.

Re: Show HN: 1667, a terminal UI for writing fiction with language models

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose I am sympathetic to the feeling of having weird tastes uncatered to by the market. But in that instance, why not actually try and write such stories yourself? And as a reader, what is the appeal of reading stories regurgitated by a stochastic algorithm when the possibility is there instead of connecting to another human soul?

Oh I do. They are just utter garbage but that's beside the point. This caters to a different lets say need. Like I said in another post it's more like low tech holodeck or maybe create your own adventure. Where the story evolves based on simple directives

> They are just utter garbage

As someone once said, "Fail again. Fail better."

And, anyway, so what if they are bad? They are authentically the product of a single human soul rather than some grey-gruel average of millions. There is an awful lot of value in that.

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