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GPT 5.6 Sol is the best "vision" model OpenAI ever released

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Re: GPT 5.6 Sol is the best "vision" model OpenAI ever released

#52

I didn't expect Gemini 3.5 Flash to top basically every metric in this article.

Gemini has long been the vision champion, but there aren't many benchmarks and coding is where all the hype is.

Demis had a pretty big interest in vision, more so than text, so I hope they don't lose that with all the recent shuffling.

Re: GPT 5.6 Sol is the best "vision" model OpenAI ever released

#53

The summary "There are still clear limits. Gemini 3.5 Flash remains a better practical choice [than GPT 5.6 Sol] for high-volume detection and counting in our benchmark, especially at its price." seems rather understated ! GPT 5.6 Sol was outperformed on all benchmarks by Gemini 3.5 Flash, apart from a single exception (OCR) where Fable was the winner. Gemini 3.5 Flash not only outperformed GPT 5.6 Sol, but did so at…

Yeah I was thinking about giving Luna a go with my PDF data extraction, but I think I‘ll stay on Gemini. It does a very good job.

Re: GPT 5.6 Sol is the best "vision" model OpenAI ever released

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It's really quite good! I was amazed recently by its utter inability to read some faded handwritten cyrillic on the back of a wood carving - 3 or 4 words only, reasonably clear letter forms I found recently, and then stepped back a bit and thought about how insane that was as a benchmark - I just expect it to work so reliably on other OCR and translation tasks that it was surprising to encounter such a failure

Re: GPT 5.6 Sol is the best "vision" model OpenAI ever released

#55

I understand why you would like to use an LLM for vision. I do it myself often enough. I don't understand however, why the pill detection and counting is included in this benchmark. That is a task which you would perform with OpenCV right? In my personal mini benchmark minicpm-v-4.6 scores amazingly well. Its a 0.8B model which runs fine on many consumer hardware.

Especially the pill counting example. The best model was shown at 81.1% accuracy, which is a terrible rate for pharmacy scenarios. It seems like implementors would be better off instructing the models to use deterministic tools (like OpenCV) until the models are at 99.99% accuracy (or whatever an acceptable error rate is for pharmacy techs).

Re: GPT 5.6 Sol is the best "vision" model OpenAI ever released

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One of my friends (and BIL) own an architecture firm. They use AI to generate and quickly update renderings but they run into the equivalent of the 6 fingered hand problem. I sent him this article I wonder if the updated models can catch and fix mistakes made by previous models.

This article is about vision, not image output.

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Re: GPT 5.6 Sol is the best "vision" model OpenAI ever released

#60

It is funny to me seeing Sol used for what a "traditional" AI model can do already (counting pills). We have vision models for our pharmacy and I could never imagine taking the latency hit to use a Sol in our robotics, it would be likely 25-50x slower.

How are we supposed to pay off all these data centers and chips if you’re not willing to burn a microwave burrito worth of electricity for each prescription? Think of the benchmarks
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