It seems like there's 14 different mesh networks that all are out there claiming to be decentralized and this and that. This is ridiculous.
We need to develop one universal standard that covers everyone's use cases.
Reticulum – Decentralized Mesh Network
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#42It seems like there's 14 different mesh networks that all are out there claiming to be decentralized and this and that. This is ridiculous. We need to develop one universal standard that covers everyone's use cases.
For anyone who missed the reference: https://xkcd.com/927/
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#43A Reticulum destination is a hash of a public key, so the address and the
identity are the same object. That makes rotation awkward. There is no
obvious path from a compromised key to the same reachable name. Lose the
identity file and the address is gone.
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#44It seems like there's 14 different mesh networks that all are out there claiming to be decentralized and this and that. This is ridiculous. We need to develop one universal standard that covers everyone's use cases.
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#45The resistance is out there somewhere?
People don't seem to get this was a genuine question. What is a network without people using it? Anyone here on reticulum? The internet may be ripe for disruption, as it has been domesticated for corporate use. It is no longer ours. Browsers have become an operating system unto themselves. Something much simpler would work also. Corporate bloat is continuing to pile up, while markdown evolves to do everything we want…
[Gnomic comments go over people's heads (I'm guilty of writing these too). Gotta think in UX terms - write to make your audience's lives easier, not harder.]
You're right, and I think a lot of these projects hit the same problem: "what can this offer me that centralized platforms can't?"
Take the Gemini protocol: if someone invents a "Gemini killer app" it can be replicated over the web because the web's features are a superset of Gemini's features. Medium is the centralized equivalent of traditional blogging. Spotify is eating podcasting. The whole indie web could be emulated by Meta (it's not currently big enough for them to care). Much like capitalism eating subcultures, the existing LCD internet will consume, commoditize and re-sell all alternatives.
The only exceptions I can think of are decentralization itself (centralization can only offer an emulation of decentralization) and freedom from corporate censorship, and not enough people care about them to make the switch.
I'd love to hear counterexamples if anyone has them, because I don't like this conclusion.
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#46Just to share some experience: 100% privacy on these kind of networks is more a sympton of talking to software engineers than the radio reality observed on mesh networks.
Very often what comes as top priority is communication itself, which means radio-amateur radio frequencies where encryption is only available for signing messages but not the content.
Reticulum can be 100% private as it can choose to send packets in plain text. Can also broadcast messages without a specific target receiver, these are features that are necessary for radio transmission on amateur frequencies.
On LoRa: attention that default reticulum is still "too talkative". Meaning that in some LoRa frequencies there is a legal limit to how many messages (transmission time) your device can send per hour and even the automated announcements (to say "Hello, I'm here") quickly waste that available space.
On Internet: reticulum is great. I'm seeing about 700 connected devices across different hubs.
People often compare reticulum to Meshcore or Meshtastic but they often neglect one important aspect: those are exclusive LoRa implementations. Reticulum is the same protocol (language) no matter the network underneath. This means that you can connect a phone via BLE to a LoRa link which on the other side is connected on the Internet and then flies down to another BLE somewhere. This is not common to find on reticulum but possible.
There is a lot of good work on the topic. Maybe it will surface here on HN soon when more stable. In October there is an yearly event in Coimbra, Portugal where these topics are presented and tested in deep.
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#47https://ratspeak.org/ seems like a modern fork of Reticulum built in Rust and with a fairly active community
Does it? It's seemingly one person on Github and the "community" is otherwise on Discord and Telegram, which is pretty sus.
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#48While the project is interesting from a technical perspective, there are some serious issues. The main implementation has a vague, non-standard licence, but this is not overly problematic as alternative implementations can simply be used instead. A bigger problem with Reticulum is that it does not appear to offer robust protection against abuse. Messages are protected by cryptography, but there are many other ways to…
What's exactly the criticism you got? What do you miss?
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#49Unfortunately whenever I see the name, I am always reminded of part of the anatomy
I am not a native speaker, but I can't figure out what you are getting at. I have a hard time imagining you meant this:
> The reticulum is the second chamber in the four-chamber alimentary canal of a ruminant mammal.
I guess, on the internet nobody knows you're a ruminant mammal...
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#50Why are people developing these networks ? Who's funding these projects ? Someone knows something about the future like an internet split ?