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If I wouldn't know it better I'd sometimes think some of the big tech shops are just fronts for centralizing the net.
Cloudflare is doing this already. Once they had enough monopoly power, they started a program to block all bots that don't undergo invasive KYC procedures. Eventually, they might become a KYC broker for regular browser users too. The free internet is over.
Tell HN: Cloudflare silently injects its analytics when you switch nameservers
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Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare silently injects its analytics when you switch nameservers
#152You are right that Cloudflare enabled these analytics by default for our free plans in Septemeber of last year. We built Real User Measurement (RUM) into our free plans because it gives site owners actionable performance data they would not otherwise have. It is on by default for free sites fr the reasons we wrote about in the blog post below. It is easy to disable if you don't want it on. All of our paid plans are o…
Wow, this is ridiculous. Sites that have been running on Cloudflare for a decade+ silently got the treatment. Why the hell was there never a big banner telling me about this? I frequently log into the console. I get it that by being on the free plan (well I do pay for Registrar), I'm the product, but I also converted employers to paying customers of yours based on goodwill. This just destroyed about all of that, amon…
Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare silently injects its analytics when you switch nameservers
#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a tangent, but your setup sounds interesting to me — would you share more about how to configure such for myself?
Many years ago I started to describe how it works in an HN comment and some reply complained about the idea of terminating TLS, i.e., decrypting, and then re-encrypting. Obviously this sacrifices something, e.g, speed, in order to gain _control_ But this is what Cloudflare does and no one seems to mind Large companies also do this to protect their LANs I'm not running a CDN, only a small home LAN. I'm only procesing…
Side note: I remember working for a company in early 2000's that had Sparc III 1U servers we had to buy crypto accelerators to do this until I had to convince them to use dell/linux.
Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare silently injects its analytics when you switch nameservers
#154You are right that Cloudflare enabled these analytics by default for our free plans in Septemeber of last year. We built Real User Measurement (RUM) into our free plans because it gives site owners actionable performance data they would not otherwise have. It is on by default for free sites fr the reasons we wrote about in the blog post below. It is easy to disable if you don't want it on. All of our paid plans are o…
Wow, this is ridiculous. Sites that have been running on Cloudflare for a decade+ silently got the treatment. Why the hell was there never a big banner telling me about this? I frequently log into the console. I get it that by being on the free plan (well I do pay for Registrar), I'm the product, but I also converted employers to paying customers of yours based on goodwill. This just destroyed about all of that, amon…
If they had the banner and you missed it [or someone else] they would complain about the banner not being big enough.
Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare silently injects its analytics when you switch nameservers
#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wow, this is ridiculous. Sites that have been running on Cloudflare for a decade+ silently got the treatment. Why the hell was there never a big banner telling me about this? I frequently log into the console. I get it that by being on the free plan (well I do pay for Registrar), I'm the product, but I also converted employers to paying customers of yours based on goodwill. This just destroyed about all of that, amon…
You get something for free, they announce it and you complain about not having a bigger announcement? If they had the banner and you missed it [or someone else] they would complain about the banner not being big enough.
Forgive me for not subscribing to their blog? That's not how you announce changes to customers.
Using a Level 7 CDN is based on trust. This is not a trustworthy action, period.
Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare silently injects its analytics when you switch nameservers
#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a tangent, but your setup sounds interesting to me — would you share more about how to configure such for myself?
Many years ago I started to describe how it works in an HN comment and some reply complained about the idea of terminating TLS, i.e., decrypting, and then re-encrypting. Obviously this sacrifices something, e.g, speed, in order to gain _control_ But this is what Cloudflare does and no one seems to mind Large companies also do this to protect their LANs I'm not running a CDN, only a small home LAN. I'm only procesing…
Do you find any websites or services that fail because of cert pinning or similar? Why do you restrict dns caching to periodic intervals, just for external privacy?
In terms of the speed I doubt the time to decrypt and encrypt tls is noticeable in modern times, especially given how slow websites have become. It's not like a load balanced website behind cloudflare isn't already doing this 3 times
Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare silently injects its analytics when you switch nameservers
#157You are right that Cloudflare enabled these analytics by default for our free plans in Septemeber of last year. We built Real User Measurement (RUM) into our free plans because it gives site owners actionable performance data they would not otherwise have. It is on by default for free sites fr the reasons we wrote about in the blog post below. It is easy to disable if you don't want it on. All of our paid plans are o…
Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare silently injects its analytics when you switch nameservers
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Is this even GDPR-compliant?
> Rather than count unique IP addresses (requiring storing state about each visitor), we simply count page views that originate from a distinct referral or navigation event, avoiding the need to store information that might be considered personal data. They don't store IP addresses (but other referral ids that identify users in a different way) ; and they exclude EU visitors by default. You do your opinion
Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare silently injects its analytics when you switch nameservers
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> They are not collecting and using your personal data. Do you see how GDPR doesn't apply, then? ...you're contradicting yourself. I'd still question the legality of the data collection by altering the offered service without properly informing the affected users. Whether GDPR applies doesn't matter, and whether it's a free tier service doesn't matter either. You're a consumer of Cloudflare , so any consumer rights a…
GDPR very much applies. As a website owner, you are responsible towards your users for data collection (your architectural choices, your responsibility). This was my concern on GDPR. Sibling comment says data collection is disabled in EU.
> Cloudflare needs the data. [...] If someone is mad, maybe they should pay or use a different architecture.
To "they would violate GDPR".
Are you ok with that behavior then? And are you basing your ethical decision solely on the current legislation?
Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare silently injects its analytics when you switch nameservers
#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a tangent, but your setup sounds interesting to me — would you share more about how to configure such for myself?
Many years ago I started to describe how it works in an HN comment and some reply complained about the idea of terminating TLS, i.e., decrypting, and then re-encrypting. Obviously this sacrifices something, e.g, speed, in order to gain _control_ But this is what Cloudflare does and no one seems to mind Large companies also do this to protect their LANs I'm not running a CDN, only a small home LAN. I'm only procesing…