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The weekend is 100 years old

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Re: The weekend is 100 years old

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Post by swat535 »

expedition32 wrote: post #113
toasty228 wrote: post #43

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> You could move somewhere rural, lower expenses, but then you are socially isolated to an extent. I got more social interactions the first week I moved to my house built in the middle of nowhere eastern europe than in my 10 years in a western EU capital. Small communities are much more alive than gigantic ones. You do lose some convenience, but it's not as bad is it used to be, for exemple there is a 24/7 automated…

Small communities have the nasty habit of turning incestuous- sometimes literally. Some of the greatest works in my country's literary canon are writers dissecting the rural village life. Existential dread indeed.

Rural communities tend to be more religious and conservatives as well.

However if you're also very traditional and practice their faith, you'll fit right in. At least in Iran it's like that.

There's going to be relationship issues regardless due to human nature but those disputes are easier to solve in the local Church / Mosque / what have you.

I know because my dad retired near a rural area from Lahijan and has become much more religious sense. but at least he's at peace..

But I digress, all that so that it's just not a place for someone with "out of box" ideas.

Re: The weekend is 100 years old

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Post by edoceo »

ars wrote: post #117
edoceo wrote: post #110

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Right. WeekEND. It's the end of the week. Not one day at the start and one at the end. It's why, currently, the week starts on Monday.

In Hebrew Sunday doesn't have a name, it's simply called "Day one", this is also true in Portuguese, Arabic, Greek, Chinese, Vietnamese, and others. So no, the week does not start on Monday, it starts on Sunday. The name "Weekend" came long long long after Sunday was considered the first day of the week.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_week_date

ISO says Monday

Re: The weekend is 100 years old

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Post by hamper653 »

edoceo wrote: post #110
vander_elst wrote: post #96

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Very curious to understand the thinking behind this, why should the weekend be E and A? My first approach would be to have the weekend on D and E which would seem to be the end of the week.

Right. WeekEND. It's the end of the week. Not one day at the start and one at the end. It's why, currently, the week starts on Monday.

> Right. WeekEND. It's the end of the week.

This only works in English though. The rest of us use the word "weekend" as a block.

Re: The weekend is 100 years old

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Post by skylurk »

unselect5917 wrote: post #118
ars wrote: post #115

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> The 7 day week is completely artificial. Actually it's 1/4 of a month, which is defined by the moon.

>1/4 of a month Where does the 4 come from? Human artifice.

Moon phases as time keeping are as old as any of the others (ie prehistoric)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_phase

Does not line up perfectly with days, so different cultures handled that differently, but pretty much all cultures had something like a week.

Re: The weekend is 100 years old

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Post by bentley »

hamper653 wrote: post #139
bentley wrote: post #100

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You’d have to convince a lot of religious people to give up the day of rest they’ve considered a religious obligation for thousands of years.

Well, let’s rest (two days) every five days instead of seven.

That would defy the point. To Jews and Christians, the cadence is literally inscribed in stone. To quote the Ten Commandments: “Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. … For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.” Exodus 20:9,11 (ESV)

Re: The weekend is 100 years old

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Post by hamper653 »

bentley wrote: post #146
hamper653 wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, let’s rest (two days) every five days instead of seven.

That would defy the point. To Jews and Christians, the cadence is literally inscribed in stone. To quote the Ten Commandments: “Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. … For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.” Exo…

Christians don’t rest on Sabbath.

Edit: I mean, we do now because of weekends. But the rest-and-worship day is supposed to be Sunday, not Saturday.

Re: The weekend is 100 years old

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Post by bentley »

edoceo wrote: post #142
ars wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Hebrew Sunday doesn't have a name, it's simply called "Day one", this is also true in Portuguese, Arabic, Greek, Chinese, Vietnamese, and others. So no, the week does not start on Monday, it starts on Sunday. The name "Weekend" came long long long after Sunday was considered the first day of the week.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_week_date ISO says Monday

That’s a late 20th century invention, and not universally followed. Consider Unix time functions, which predate the ISO standard and follow what’s common practice in America even today, that Sunday is the first day of the week. Of course, Sunday was the first day of the week in Europe for over a thousand years and that practice has not fully been extinguished.

Re: The weekend is 100 years old

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Post by bentley »

hamper653 wrote: post #147
bentley wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would defy the point. To Jews and Christians, the cadence is literally inscribed in stone. To quote the Ten Commandments: “Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. … For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.” Exo…

Christians don’t rest on Sabbath. Edit: I mean, we do now because of weekends. But the rest-and-worship day is supposed to be Sunday, not Saturday.

It is very common for Christians to religously rest on Sunday (e.g., Puritan Sabbatarians) and even, for some, on the Jewish Sabbath (seventh‐day Sabbatarians). There’s been plenty of theological debate on the subject. It’s absolutely not true that Christians, categorically, don’t consider themselves obligated to rest on the Sabbath. And those who treat Sunday specially as the Lord’s Day also keep it on a seven‐day cadence.

Re: The weekend is 100 years old

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Post by mikhailfranco »

Saudi Arabia changed the weekend from Thursday-Friday to Friday-Saturday about 10 years ago. The existing week only had 3 days' overlap with western businesses, and the smaller Gulf states had already changed.

The weekend discussion had been percolating quietly inside the Shura Council (royal advisors) for several years, but when the King decided, it was only announced with about 10 days advance notice!

Now UAE has now moved to Saturday-Sunday weekend, but practically it is 2.5 days, starting at noon prayers on Friday.

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