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The weekend is 100 years old

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Re: The weekend is 100 years old

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Post by PowerElectronix »

Gecko4072 wrote: post #40

For the elders here, what are the actual ways to not live under the rule of an industrial clock? I’m not talking about starting your own company get rich quick scheme or moving into the woods (unless..), but really, I don’t see many ways about it. You could move somewhere rural, lower expenses, but then you are socially isolated to an extent. So, move to where people are, oh but then the only way to support the lifes…

Sadly, as soon as you can conjure the concept of time and schedules, you will yourself end up under one, either self-imposed or imposed by others.

It will creep slowly on you and before you realize you will be late to do the laundry or whatnot.

Having a schedule and making so many things predictable and optimizable is just too advantageous to just not do it.

Re: The weekend is 100 years old

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Post by meibo »

deadbabe wrote: post #59
toasty228 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> With the shift to AI, it could happen. You'll work more and they'll pocket the difference, as it's been the case for every advances in the last 50 years. https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQGj_oQ...

Do they? With AI agents, I work less , not more. The difference is it's off the books. On paper I seem to work the same but not in practice. I've gone from 40 hour work weeks to maybe 2 or 3 hours a day pushing some prompts. Someday, it might be 2 or 3 hours a week.

That only works until they realize what's going on. Then you will be expected to output so much that you will have to prompt for 40 hours a week.

Re: The weekend is 100 years old

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Post by heikkilevanto »

I remember seeing a calendar on my first school year, 1971 in Finland, that marked which Saturdays were school days and which were off. Around the same time, I saw a cartoon about the future labor congress, where a dissatisfied worker asks "Mr President, do we have to every Wednesday?"

Re: The weekend is 100 years old

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Post by mythrwy »

Gecko4072 wrote: post #40

For the elders here, what are the actual ways to not live under the rule of an industrial clock? I’m not talking about starting your own company get rich quick scheme or moving into the woods (unless..), but really, I don’t see many ways about it. You could move somewhere rural, lower expenses, but then you are socially isolated to an extent. So, move to where people are, oh but then the only way to support the lifes…

This can be done, and in major cities as well. You get a tent, and some fentanyl and just don't go to work anymore.

Re: The weekend is 100 years old

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

Kon5ole wrote: post #55
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't the Dutch East India Company go public in 1602? Also, in ancient Rome, coinage with Caesar's face on it was traded above its bullion value. They'd kill 1/10th of your population repeatedly until you agreed to this (such was the origins of the word "decimation"), and then they'd buy their dinner from you with caesar-face coin and move on to the next village tomorrow. Now that you have some caesar-face coin, you…

>Also, in ancient Rome, coinage with Caesar's face on it was traded above its bullion value. They'd kill 1/10th of your population repeatedly until you agreed to this (such was the origins of the word "decimation") Decimation has it's origin in a military punishment for insubordination or cowardice. Where did you get the fiat currency idea from?

I learned it in latin class. It looks like I may have gotten it a bit wrong.

It's not that they killed every tenth member of whatever village they were adding to the roman empire that day, but rather than they conscripted some of them as soldiers and then killed every tenth of those who didn't obey.

I think the currency point stands though: value the money our soldiers carry, tax collectors will be along for it shortly, welcome to the Roman Empire.

Re: The weekend is 100 years old

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

b40d-48b2-979e wrote: post #58
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #21

Let's celebrate its 100th birthday by moving labor day to Friday! Every Friday.

Oh is that not how you're living already?

Oh it is, but the job won't be done until we have solidarity across sectors. I'm looking to shut services off if companies ask too much of their workers.

Re: The weekend is 100 years old

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Post by zeroonetwothree »

heikkilevanto wrote: post #73

I remember seeing a calendar on my first school year, 1971 in Finland, that marked which Saturdays were school days and which were off. Around the same time, I saw a cartoon about the future labor congress, where a dissatisfied worker asks "Mr President, do we have to every Wednesday?"

From 1965 issue of Time:

> Union-shop steward, emerging from a meeting with management to face a group of workers: “Brothers, we’ve got it made. From now on, we will work only on Wednesdays.”

> Irritated voice from the crowd: “You mean EVERY Wednesday?”

I suspect it’s significantly older than that though.

Re: The weekend is 100 years old

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Post by markvdb »

Gecko4072 wrote: post #40

For the elders here, what are the actual ways to not live under the rule of an industrial clock? I’m not talking about starting your own company get rich quick scheme or moving into the woods (unless..), but really, I don’t see many ways about it. You could move somewhere rural, lower expenses, but then you are socially isolated to an extent. So, move to where people are, oh but then the only way to support the lifes…

Have a look at ERE. Don't get fooled by the snake oil sounding url. I ignored it for years because of that, but it's a sound framework to help you answer the question you are asking.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Lund_Fisker

https://earlyretirementextreme.com/

Re: The weekend is 100 years old

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Post by alecbz »

stevecoalbear wrote: post #14

Other things that are surprisingly less than 100 years old include electronic music, Germany, Croatia, capitalism, the end of slavery, worker's rights, fiat currency, central banks, stock markets as more than a niche thing, and so on.

> Germany

The HRE for several hundred years could probably seen as a proto-Germany.

Re: The weekend is 100 years old

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Post by gabrielsroka »

jmyeet wrote: post #60

Whenever I hear someone in a privileged job, such as a software engineer, complain about unions or collective bargaining or in fact any form of collectivism, I have to suppress my rage because every concession to the working class, such as weekends, safety standards, overtime pay, PTO, sick leave and so on was paid for in blood by your forebears. The biggest changes came shortly after Henry Ford conceded the weekend…

> Wyoming

Minnesota

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