> I checked where you’d expect to find underground marketplaces. Telegram had a few channels, with one being relatively active.
It's not exactly "underground" if they clearly advertising public channels out in the open.
The AI Credit Resale Economy
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#22The reseller could use an intermediate proxy and modify the traffic like in [1], to get control of the client machine - depending on the harness permissions.
TLS terminates at the proxy (say, https://reselltokens.ai), end to end integrity is not enforced. LLM traffic contains tool calls like "bash ...", which are executed on the client machine, they can be manipulated. Secret exfil is also possible.
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#23So are they stealing from their employers or is something else going on?
nope - a.i companies to promote their platforms offer 'a.i' credits to startups usually worth 10ks, 100ks worth of credits in $ terms.
so to a startup - you can trade your credits - then get actual cash.
just like you would if trading debt etc.
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#24There's a lot of assertion here and the other article that this fraud and abuse but is there any evidence of that?
A simpler explanation is that that this is just a resale market.
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#25Yunwu.ai was a nice way to get ultra-cheap tokens that someone will probably spy on you with, but they no longer offer US models. At first I thought it was so people could steal the traces, but now I wonder if this isn't just laundering startup credits for dollars.
They were never offering actual US models. We tested them extensively and it was clear whatever they were passing as Anthropic were simply mediocre distillations based on Kimi.
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#26Cyberpunk dystopia vibes
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#27What does the demand side look like? I understand why people have these tokens they want to sell, who wants to buy them?
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#28This research is way toooo shallow. He really should go check out linux.do or nodeseek.com — token resale economy there is truly breathtaking.
Edit: https://vectoral.com/blog/token-relay-market mentioned in comment.
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#29Cyberpunk dystopia vibes
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#30The reseller could use an intermediate proxy and modify the traffic like in [1], to get control of the client machine - depending on the harness permissions. TLS terminates at the proxy (say, https://reselltokens.ai ), end to end integrity is not enforced. LLM traffic contains tool calls like "bash ...", which are executed on the client machine, they can be manipulated. Secret exfil is also possible. [1] https://arxi…
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