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Re: Ask HN: Do you know of any company that went back to hand-written code?

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Ford did: https://www.forbes.com/sites/joetoscano1/2026/06/30/ford-hir... So did Commonwealth Bank of Australia and IBM: https://www.cnbc.com/2026/07/01/employers-who-laid-off-worke... And I'm sure many others who didn't publicize it because they have to keep this circular economy going.

Ford did not. They hired back veterans to better train the AI.

> COO Kumar Galhotra said Ford had been over-relying on automated quality systems without getting results, per Bloomberg. The returning engineers rebuilt the data pipelines feeding Ford's AI training, mentored junior staff, and reprogrammed the automated systems they had originally been brought in to replace.

Similarly with Commonwealth Bank and IBM, which are cited in your second link. None of these companies are saying they're not going to use AI and they're going to go back to manual labor. What they are saying is that they laid off workers prematurely.

The big lesson is highlighted well by IBM's head of HR, which is you can use AI, but you have to continue to invest in humans:

> “If we don’t continue to invest in entry-level hires, what happens in three-five years?,” IBM’s chief human resources officer, Nickle LaMoreaux, said at a Charter AI Summit in New York. “There’s no pipeline; the well simply dries up,” LaMoreaux added.

Re: Ask HN: Do you know of any company that went back to hand-written code?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I cant imagine my job without it anymore, in my hobby projects I dont really use it because its more about learning new stuff but for work I dont really care

That's so depressing, and a real loss for your employer. Even if they neither know nor care that you are now sandbagging them, you still are. You aren't making real gains because you're tossing out value of equivalent or greater worth (your learning and engagement)

You can only learn and engage so much in a day. In my head, it can be healthy to shift from tiring yourself out via work to tiring yourself out at home. You're not sandbagging them, you're setting boundaries on how much you're willing to do. If this is a problem for the employer, they can act accordingly.

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I think devs themselves won't want to work for a company that doesn't let you use Codex et al.

I dunno, I have friends and family at Meta, Roblox, $JOB, etc that would all prefer a no-AI environment. It's definitely not a majority of devs, but it's not an insignificant amount either.

Re: Ask HN: Do you know of any company that went back to hand-written code?

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Best use cases are along the periphery: security checks, performance checks, test generation.

tests generated by ai, especially which generates each time codex are completely useless and needed only for beautiful "44/44 tests passed"

Re: Ask HN: Do you know of any company that went back to hand-written code?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I cant imagine my job without it anymore, in my hobby projects I dont really use it because its more about learning new stuff but for work I dont really care

That's so depressing, and a real loss for your employer. Even if they neither know nor care that you are now sandbagging them, you still are. You aren't making real gains because you're tossing out value of equivalent or greater worth (your learning and engagement)

This seems the right place in the discussion to mention The Gervais Principle, a legendary piece of business writing if you haven't heard of it. https://ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-or-t...

Re: Ask HN: Do you know of any company that went back to hand-written code?

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In my startup, I am currently in consideration for doing this exact thing. The interesting part is it's not really the AI that's causing the issue. It's the ease of my developer to make a mess, either with messy code or feature bloat. After figuring out the exact product we need with some very quick development cycles with AI, we now have some problems that I can't keep under control because of AI. So, currently unde…

This is a leadership problem, not an AI problem. I have the opposite situation: I don't think about code "messiness" anymore. I trust my developers to ship the right thing because we communicate constantly about what our goal is and why we're doing it. Solve the leadership problem and the AI thing becomes an advantage instead of a problem.

This is correct. It's a giant red flag in GP that they're worried about their developers making a mess with AI. That's an issue of the developers' judgment not being any good, not a problem with AI.

Re: Ask HN: Do you know of any company that went back to hand-written code?

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I don’t think that would ever happen. AI as a tool made the life so much easier removing initial inertia. I agree that we still haven’t figured out what’s the best way to use AI tools, but over the time it would mature and people would come up with patterns, conventions, and design principles so the quality of what is produced will be maintained or increased while keeping the productivity gains.

It will happen once everything breaks and we have an entire generation of drooling idiots spamming prompts. AI is 100% trash and it will only get better at deceiving you into thinking it isnt. Every single person I talk too that is enthusiastic about AI is so because they can't code for shit. Sure, then the AI seems better. But it never really is. Learn to code, that inertia you are talking about is the technical deb…

You sound like an angry old man yelling at a television. I can code and have been doing it for 15 years before AI. If you don’t like AI that’s totally fine and don't be dogmatic, but then again the people who doesn’t change with time are left behind in time, maybe that’s why you’re so angry

Re: Ask HN: Do you know of any company that went back to hand-written code?

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In what context would generating code faster not be a desired outcome? Assuming of course everything else stays the same (quality, etc.)

It's so weird how "assuming" is like watching super man hold a train back from a little girl on the railroad tracks.

Re: Ask HN: Do you know of any company that went back to hand-written code?

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In what context would generating code faster not be a desired outcome? Assuming of course everything else stays the same (quality, etc.)

Shitting out lots of code faster was already possible before (just hire more interns who do it for free heh) the question is at what quality and is more code in less time really the biggest problem in professional software development that had to be solved?

LLMs can be very useful for all sorts of things, but large scale code generation is IMHO the least interesting use case. And even when LLMs are successfully used for code generation, I feel like progress has been reset to the early 60s and people are now rediscovering all the failed software development approaches (eg "spec-driven" is pretty much the equivalent of "waterfall", I'm now waiting for UML diagrams to make a comeback as the next big thing with an "agentic engineering" label slapped on ;)

Classic interactive "vibecoding" with quick turnaround times (but much quicker than now please, don't make me wait and let me slip out of the flow) might actually turn out to be the most useful way to build software with LLMs (or let's better say "prototypes"). Because everything else currently looks like we're building up too much bureaucracy around the software development process again, and just in time when we finally got rid of that shit (now we have that absurd amount of .md files in pseudo-human-language as "skills", "rules", "context", "memory", ...) like it was common in the 70s when the work was split between "software architects" who only do the high level design, and "implementers" who only bake that design into code. This was obviously a stupid idea and I don't know why the "AI bros" seem to be so keen on repeating that mistake.

Every approach that builds a "human language specification" that's separate from source code written in a much more precise programming language is doomed to fail (eg the code is the spec!), and that's nothing new, we've known this for decades, but that brain virus of "upfront software architecture" always keeps creeping back into the minds of people at the first opportunity.

Re: Ask HN: Do you know of any company that went back to hand-written code?

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One think I think is strange about the m programming world we live in now is the mythologization of pre llm code. As if people weren’t copying code from stack overflow, auto completing their way through APIs using intellisense, intellicode, tab nine, or checking in code there didn’t properly test or understand
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