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Super El Niño Keeps Growing as New Forecasts Reach Record Territory Ahead Winter

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Re: Super El Niño Keeps Growing as New Forecasts Reach Record Territory Ahead Winter

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Post by vixen99 »

vrganj wrote: post #135
dgellow wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m a capitalist, but the only conclusion I can arrive at is that neo liberal capitalism makes it impossible to « do the right thing ». What we have is the logical result of the incentives at play

I have come to the same conclusion, but let me ask you, how can you still be a capitalist having had that insight? Why would you support a system that you recognize makes it impossible to do the right thing even as we're dying from its consequences?

You're not going to do anything at all without money as a fungible exchange mechanism (a sometime measure of 'value'). Capitalists see value in things and try to generate that value. Yes, politicians and the rest of us have the job of regulating that process and sometime fail to do a good job. Do you know the right thing to do? I doubt it. You seriously do not see this as an immensely complicated issue? Finally please give chapter and verse for the 'dying'. Maybe compare the world of 2026 with that of 1900 and the quality of life for people in general and our concern for the life on this planet. Concern isn't action but it's a necessary prerequisite for it.

Re: Super El Niño Keeps Growing as New Forecasts Reach Record Territory Ahead Winter

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Post by da_chicken »

xrd wrote: post #30

I really tried to get through this. But sentences like this were confusing to me: In simple terms, the ocean surface anomalies are just the surface footprint of this massive subsurface warm core.

I don't find that sentence confusing, but I definitely found the article poorly written. Here's the sixth nearly identical map and now let's repeat the exact same thing already stated five times or more while including one new sentence of detail. The density of actual information in the writing is so low that it's hard to follow.

The article is so repetitive and padded out with empty prose that I found myself ignoring whole paragraphs. It's like the author decided to describe what an el niño is, then describe what an el niño is, then describe a super el niño, then describe what an el niño is, then describe what an el niño is, then describe what an el niño is, then describe the possible consequences of a super el niño, then describe what an el niño is, then describe what an el niño is, and finally describe what an el niño is.

Re: Super El Niño Keeps Growing as New Forecasts Reach Record Territory Ahead Winter

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Post by vixen99 »

mort96 wrote: post #114
tomjen3 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would have been doable if we could have switched to nuclear, but no.

It would've helped a ton but it's not like electricity generation is the only source of emissions. You can't run a car or a plane on nuclear power. You can technically run a cargo ship on nuclear power but that's also not gonna happen. Yet transport is the second largest source of emissions. Batteries have only recently-ish gotten energy dense and cheap enough for electric cars to be competitive, completely different…

As Romanians will tell you in August 2026, you can't run nuclear power stations without a cooling mechanism. In this case, it's Danube which is failing to offer that. Fusion is almost nowhere to be seen.

Re: Super El Niño Keeps Growing as New Forecasts Reach Record Territory Ahead Winter

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Post by newsclues »

vrganj wrote: post #115
roenxi wrote: post #112

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If the plan isn't to stockpile food communally through a big corporation making a tidy profit for being well prepared in a disaster, and it isn't to stockpile it personally... what is the plan? There won't be any food. There are very limited options here. Those two are, by far, the two best ones for reliably being able to access food. Someone has to build up a reserve. Literally, you should to be able to point someon…

"Communally" and "through a big corporation making a tidy profit" are at odds. It's either for and by the community or it's for and by a big corporation profiteering off the misfortune of the community. It can't be both at the same time. The big corporations aren't "going to keep people fed", they will hoard and ration by wealth, not by need. The billionaire will get their twenty course fine dining experience, the be…

You don’t know co-ops exist?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative

Re: Super El Niño Keeps Growing as New Forecasts Reach Record Territory Ahead Winter

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Post by RandomLensman »

epolanski wrote: post #136
deepsun wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another reason why most countries subsidise their agriculture is because in times of war you don't want your enemy to starve you. That's mostly about high calories foods, not fancy salads though.

It would be just easier to not wage war by the way. Can't think of many countries besides Canada and US that would not starve in NATO if such a necessity arose, and that's because they produce lots of cereals. All the other countries in NATO are major food importers.

Being a major importers of olive oil is probably not such a big deal. The EU is pretty self-sufficient for food, for example - can change a bit the food and agg mix if needed (and some countries have emergency stores as well).

Re: Super El Niño Keeps Growing as New Forecasts Reach Record Territory Ahead Winter

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

epolanski wrote: post #136
deepsun wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another reason why most countries subsidise their agriculture is because in times of war you don't want your enemy to starve you. That's mostly about high calories foods, not fancy salads though.

It would be just easier to not wage war by the way. Can't think of many countries besides Canada and US that would not starve in NATO if such a necessity arose, and that's because they produce lots of cereals. All the other countries in NATO are major food importers.

>All the other countries in NATO are major food importers.

All apart from France, Netherlands, Spain, Denmark, Poland, Hungary, Lithuania, Turkey, Italy and Ireland.

Interestingly the US is borderline now depending on how you measure food imports and exports.

Re: Super El Niño Keeps Growing as New Forecasts Reach Record Territory Ahead Winter

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Post by mitjam »

bix6 wrote: post #13

Great write up but bummed to not see any info about the waves. It’s been a bonkers summer!

I think you might be on to something: I am by no means a weather enthusiast or expert, nor do I live in California: the El Niños building up in 1997 and 2015 had similar seasons, 2023 not, the current fast onset and wave seasons (durable good surfable waves in winter) match especially well with 2015. 2023 was the exception but also slower onset. Also La Niña winters also had good winter conditions, but not as durable. So good surf conditions in NorCal outside of La Niña winters might be a visceral leading indicator for fast onset El Niño.

Re: Super El Niño Keeps Growing as New Forecasts Reach Record Territory Ahead Winter

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Post by defrost »

newsclues wrote: post #144
vrganj wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Communally" and "through a big corporation making a tidy profit" are at odds. It's either for and by the community or it's for and by a big corporation profiteering off the misfortune of the community. It can't be both at the same time. The big corporations aren't "going to keep people fed", they will hoard and ration by wealth, not by need. The billionaire will get their twenty course fine dining experience, the be…

You don’t know co-ops exist? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative

My local co-op is nearly a hundred years old now and has a combined members land area larger than the United Kingdom:

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGjGsyMe_F8

* https://www.cbh.com.au/about-cbh/what-we-do

Thanks to being globally remote, easily isolated and events like WWII and COVID we're picky about having reserves (seed, fuel, grain) in storage to ride out .

Re: Super El Niño Keeps Growing as New Forecasts Reach Record Territory Ahead Winter

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Post by messe »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #146
epolanski wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be just easier to not wage war by the way. Can't think of many countries besides Canada and US that would not starve in NATO if such a necessity arose, and that's because they produce lots of cereals. All the other countries in NATO are major food importers.

>All the other countries in NATO are major food importers. All apart from France, Netherlands, Spain, Denmark, Poland, Hungary, Lithuania, Turkey, Italy and Ireland. Interestingly the US is borderline now depending on how you measure food imports and exports.

Ireland isn't in NATO.

Re: Super El Niño Keeps Growing as New Forecasts Reach Record Territory Ahead Winter

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Post by IMTDb »

epolanski wrote: post #136
deepsun wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another reason why most countries subsidise their agriculture is because in times of war you don't want your enemy to starve you. That's mostly about high calories foods, not fancy salads though.

It would be just easier to not wage war by the way. Can't think of many countries besides Canada and US that would not starve in NATO if such a necessity arose, and that's because they produce lots of cereals. All the other countries in NATO are major food importers.

> It would be just easier to not wage war by the way

Yeah, those pesky Ukrainians waging war for the pleasure of it.

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