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Super El Niño Keeps Growing as New Forecasts Reach Record Territory Ahead Winter

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Re: Super El Niño Keeps Growing as New Forecasts Reach Record Territory Ahead Winter

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Post by hliyan »

simulator5g wrote: post #11
bamboozled wrote: post #10

All we needed to do was stop burning fossil fuels we really are fucking dense.

Ah yes it could have been so easy: All we needed to do was convince everyone in the world to behave a certain way.

There is currently a multi-billion, if not trillion, dollar industry (advertising and marketing) that is convincing everyone to behave the opposite way, i.e. maximize consumption with no regard to negative externalities. If we simply curb them, or better yet, use those same mechanisms to propagate a more rational message, yes, that that's all we need to do.

Re: Super El Niño Keeps Growing as New Forecasts Reach Record Territory Ahead Winter

#92

Post by bpodgursky »

dluan wrote: post #68
fHr wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If only China and US could get their shit together....

China is the only country that is seriously doing anything about anything. They've single handedly built more renewable energy capacity than every other country combined, they've pulled millions of diesel and gasoline cars off roads, reforested one of the world's biggest deserts, this year they've finally reduced coal usage, and next year the long awaited Tokamak is set to fire for the first time. The US is busy send…

You can't really have this both ways. Closing Hormuz and blowing up Iranian export facilities has been massively decarbonizing. Chinese solar exports are massively up because countries have had to find new energy sources.

Re: Super El Niño Keeps Growing as New Forecasts Reach Record Territory Ahead Winter

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Post by zahlman »

fHr wrote: post #52
bamboozled wrote: post #10

All we needed to do was stop burning fossil fuels we really are fucking dense.

If only China and US could get their shit together....

Per capita CO2 emissions in the US are down about 36% from their 1973 peak (https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions).

Re: Super El Niño Keeps Growing as New Forecasts Reach Record Territory Ahead Winter

#94

Post by zahlman »

lucb1e wrote: post #29
gottorf wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most people agree on basic values This isn't even true at a local level, let alone at the global scale.

Bit of an easy claim without concrete examples as I gave. Would hold more water if you'd tell us which local or global culture does not have basic decency towards each other as a value / wants to cause any of the things I mentioned such as forced relocation

> if you'd tell us which local or global culture does not have basic decency towards each other as a value

Look around the thread at how people are treating each other, and then keep in mind that HN is probably like 99th percentile for civility on the Internet in this regard.

Look at what happens in threads about any other politically charged issue, for that matter. Heck, look how far the discussion will veer into politically charged off-topic matters, whenever the OP is about some meta-level "how to be convincing" "how to argue fairly" etc. point.

Re: Super El Niño Keeps Growing as New Forecasts Reach Record Territory Ahead Winter

#95

Post by dluan »

chrischen wrote: post #86
dluan wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China is the only country that is seriously doing anything about anything. They've single handedly built more renewable energy capacity than every other country combined, they've pulled millions of diesel and gasoline cars off roads, reforested one of the world's biggest deserts, this year they've finally reduced coal usage, and next year the long awaited Tokamak is set to fire for the first time. The US is busy send…

To be fair, closing the straight of hormuz has probably put a dent in carbon emissions.

Temporarily, all of the middle east oil infrastructure will be rebuilt because their biggest customer still has no real tangible plan to wean itself off.

Re: Super El Niño Keeps Growing as New Forecasts Reach Record Territory Ahead Winter

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Post by huijzer »

culi wrote: post #77
izend wrote: post #18

The strongest El Niño ever caused a massive famine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1877%E2%80%931878_El_Ni%C3%B1o...

To be fair, we didn't have the World Food Programme in 1877 which lets us anticipate droughts distribution and crop failures months ahead of time. That being said, the existing energy crisis and fertilizer crisis can significantly compound the negative impacts of this El Niño even if we are able to anticipate it.

> lets us anticipate droughts distribution and crop failures months ahead of time.

If by “us” you mean big corporations, which will then buy the stuff and sell it at a premium later, then I agree.

Re: Super El Niño Keeps Growing as New Forecasts Reach Record Territory Ahead Winter

#98

Post by pphysch »

bpodgursky wrote: post #92
dluan wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China is the only country that is seriously doing anything about anything. They've single handedly built more renewable energy capacity than every other country combined, they've pulled millions of diesel and gasoline cars off roads, reforested one of the world's biggest deserts, this year they've finally reduced coal usage, and next year the long awaited Tokamak is set to fire for the first time. The US is busy send…

You can't really have this both ways. Closing Hormuz and blowing up Iranian export facilities has been massively decarbonizing. Chinese solar exports are massively up because countries have had to find new energy sources.

Chinese solar was a big deal globally long before Trump's Iran blunder

Re: Super El Niño Keeps Growing as New Forecasts Reach Record Territory Ahead Winter

#99

Post by dluan »

chasd00 wrote: post #28

Looking forward to Fall rain in North Texas. Summer can’t get over soon enough.

I'm currently sitting in the middle of 100mph gusting winds as every island in Hawaii is under hurricane or tropical storm warning, with at least 100k people without power right now. Hurricane season in Hawaii is usually in Sept/Oct.

Re: Super El Niño Keeps Growing as New Forecasts Reach Record Territory Ahead Winter

#100

Post by dluan »

bix6 wrote: post #13

Great write up but bummed to not see any info about the waves. It’s been a bonkers summer!

I don't know enough about climate science, but south swell usually is the result of west-to-east storms coming off of Australia. In Hawaii, this summer's south swell has been extremely consistent big swells. I imagine it's something like the west coast off South America heating up causes the balance of the southern hemisphere off Africa to counteract that.
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