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AI isn’t outthinking mathematicians, it’s out-remembering them

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Re: AI isn’t outthinking mathematicians, it’s out-remembering them

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Post by podocarp »

hibikir wrote: post #198

I suspect that a lot about what we call being very intelligent is ultimately out-remembering people around us. I think of all the times in my software career when I did something that others considered very high performance, it either came down to either having more energy than others at tackling a problem they thought was more trouble than it was worth, or just bringing back random knowledge from previous jobs or se…

Possible, but not true. Much of intelligence is also creativity. Otherwise we would call Google search intelligent. Strong recall is a different kind of intelligence, and good memory is indeed a positive trait. But it is not what we generally call intelligence on its own.

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Post by groundzeros2015 »

hibikir wrote: post #198

I suspect that a lot about what we call being very intelligent is ultimately out-remembering people around us. I think of all the times in my software career when I did something that others considered very high performance, it either came down to either having more energy than others at tackling a problem they thought was more trouble than it was worth, or just bringing back random knowledge from previous jobs or se…

This sounds very much like the joke about economists finding a $100 bill. In reality there is innovation and new ideas. Humans discover new things and change their behavior. So your theory needs to also accommodate that fact.

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Post by AnodicElegy »

MelonArmiger wrote: post #293

It's probably worth checking the site history before posting. The guy who wrote this looks like some kind of "race science" crackpot.

Interesting fellow. He has publicly claimed that he has ESP:

https://www.splcenter.org/resources/hatewatch/wikipedia-wars...

https://openpsych.net/forums/18/thread/25/?page=1#124

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Post by hawaiianbrah »

groundzeros2015 wrote: post #390
bragr wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We sort kids into the smart and non-smart labels when they are young, and those labels tend to stick, even when what we're measuring isn't raw intelligence but just variance in childhood development that wash out in the long term. I don't think either group is well served by this.

No we don't. Public schools are incentivized not to help high performers. It actually hurts their metrics and budget. The widespread gifted/talented experience in public school ended in the late 90s. The actual intelligence segregation is self-selected. PMC parents live together in the same neighborhoods. Whether you believe in genetic or social factors, the smart kids come from here. In the 80s and 90s there was an…

Seattle Public Schools currently still has a “Highly Capable Cohort” program, though it is phasing it out.

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Post by root_axis »

Arainach wrote: post #140
hilariously wrote: post #89

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Ok Sabina, everyone is string theory is all just a bunch of egotistical morons.

Spending your life's work on a theory that is widely agreed to be untestable is certainly a form of ego, or at least is more philosophy than science.

The "untestable" meme is just a thought terminating cliche. It's as if you believe no researchers ever considered the brilliant insight that the framework is difficult to test. History is littered with plenty of examples of a novel discovery, understanding, or technology yielding new opportunities for experimental design.

It's also a glib dismissal of the unexpected mathematical elegance of string theory that makes it so compelling. Worse, it completely ignores the material contributions to applied physics that string theory has made possible which is obviously worth "spending your life's work on" - as if people need to justify the value of their life's work to disinterested onlookers lest they be demeaned.

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Post by groundzeros2015 »

hawaiianbrah wrote: post #394
groundzeros2015 wrote: post #390

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No we don't. Public schools are incentivized not to help high performers. It actually hurts their metrics and budget. The widespread gifted/talented experience in public school ended in the late 90s. The actual intelligence segregation is self-selected. PMC parents live together in the same neighborhoods. Whether you believe in genetic or social factors, the smart kids come from here. In the 80s and 90s there was an…

Seattle Public Schools currently still has a “Highly Capable Cohort” program, though it is phasing it out.

Seattle public schools is a district of and for PMC. I'm sure you find all kinds of advanced programs in SCV too. There is an incentive to appease local parents by providing services they want to enroll their kids in.

In areas where parents aren't demanding advanced classes, there is no program for the government to identify and separate top performers from the general student population.

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Post by breezybottom »

groundzeros2015 wrote: post #390
bragr wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We sort kids into the smart and non-smart labels when they are young, and those labels tend to stick, even when what we're measuring isn't raw intelligence but just variance in childhood development that wash out in the long term. I don't think either group is well served by this.

No we don't. Public schools are incentivized not to help high performers. It actually hurts their metrics and budget. The widespread gifted/talented experience in public school ended in the late 90s. The actual intelligence segregation is self-selected. PMC parents live together in the same neighborhoods. Whether you believe in genetic or social factors, the smart kids come from here. In the 80s and 90s there was an…

I don't know where you're getting that from. The sorting of students into "gifted" and "non-gifted" categories is very common. You don't need to look further than your local school district for proof.

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Post by groundzeros2015 »

breezybottom wrote: post #398
groundzeros2015 wrote: post #390

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No we don't. Public schools are incentivized not to help high performers. It actually hurts their metrics and budget. The widespread gifted/talented experience in public school ended in the late 90s. The actual intelligence segregation is self-selected. PMC parents live together in the same neighborhoods. Whether you believe in genetic or social factors, the smart kids come from here. In the 80s and 90s there was an…

I don't know where you're getting that from. The sorting of students into "gifted" and "non-gifted" categories is very common. You don't need to look further than your local school district for proof.

> don't need to look further than your local school district for proof.

Yeah mine didn't have it. And the teachers fought every attempt to do so because it hurt their metrics (who gets stuck with the lower class average).

Are you by chance part of the PMC and your local school district is of similar demographics?

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Post by random3 »

if you take any system and break it down you get to simple building blocks (like memory). Then you claim that it isn't "outthinking" but "out remembering". Sorry, but what do you think the brain is doing? Not using memory? Especially working memory. How about frequency, brain is operating in Hz whereas most processors are in GHz, etc.

Finally if we were to think in terms of a proper memory/latency hierarchy, what's a Model + CPU's equivalent of working memory? Registers? L1 cache?

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