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Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Post by aucisson_masque »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #260
FeepingCreature wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well great! You are already protected from random extensions then.

Yeah, by opting out of them altogether. I'd very much enjoy having useful extensions that are not dangerous instead.

You can't trust a code that you didn't audit before. End of story.

What you are asking for is simply impossible, even without any permissions rogue extensions can still do a lot. It's what some developers spend their entire time working on.

If Google couldn't fix it with Android, which has granular permission per applications, why do you think it's going to be even remotely effective on the web browser ?

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Post by kazinator »

dralley wrote: post #99
swed420 wrote: post #58

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> Firefox is also the only browser that vets uBlock's code on every update to make sure the developer hasn't inserted spyware or malware into the extension. They could save themselves the trouble if Firefox simply baked in its own ad-blocking, but since Google basically owns them, we all know that will never happen. Ladybird browser is going to be awesome.

Websites already can barely be assed to care about supporting Firefox users, doing adblocking by default is a great way to get websites to start putting up banners that say "our website does not work with your browser, please switch to Chrome" en-masse. And Mozilla did develop anti-fingerprinting tech, but they can't enable it by default because it breaks lots of websites and when a website doesn't work they're not g…

> banners that say "our website does not work with your browser, please switch to Chrome"

Which in practice means "switch to using a Firefox extension which fakes looking like Chrome, and just to selected shitty sites like ours".

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Post by aucisson_masque »

socalgal2 wrote: post #165
avaer wrote: post #32

What's funny is that extensions were supposed to be a way to let you do the things the browser didn't want you to do. Guess that was a bit too much freedom for Google to accept, so they had to make a store with a gate, and destroy the APIs so that they're useless. Then they had to make up some reasons to justify that and ram it through the pipeline despite everyone's objections, and the frog got boiled. Now we're bac…

> Google ... had to ... destroy the APIs so that they're useless. I see this repeated over and over and yet uBlock Origin Lite still seems to block almost all ads. I'm not saying I wouldn't prefer the non-lite version. But, given I basically still don't see ads it's kind of hard to argue Google destroyed the APIs so that they're useless

The crux of the difference is the webRequest API which is only available in Manifest v2. This allows uBlock to strip all tracking data from the requests themselves. So while Chrome w uBlock Lite is hiding almost all the same ads from you, it's not protecting you from tracking

The Lite version also relies solely on filter lists that require you to update the extension itself while the MV2 version can do so dynamically. Additionally, it lacks CNAME Uncloaking which I imagine will become much more commonplace soon enough which will make it impossible to block those ads.

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Post by lukan »

KingMob wrote: post #248
swed420 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Firefox is also the only browser that vets uBlock's code on every update to make sure the developer hasn't inserted spyware or malware into the extension. They could save themselves the trouble if Firefox simply baked in its own ad-blocking, but since Google basically owns them, we all know that will never happen. Ladybird browser is going to be awesome.

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"RIP Charlie Kirk

I hope many more debate nerds carry on his quest to engage young people with words, not fists."

If this statement - a urge to engage in peaceful debate, not violence - makes you hate him, then I see the problem rather with you. I mean seriously, do you like civil war? Because this is what happens when people don't talk anymore about their disagreements, but physically fight.

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Post by kazinator »

epihelix wrote: post #125
swed420 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Firefox is also the only browser that vets uBlock's code on every update to make sure the developer hasn't inserted spyware or malware into the extension. They could save themselves the trouble if Firefox simply baked in its own ad-blocking, but since Google basically owns them, we all know that will never happen. Ladybird browser is going to be awesome.

That's like suggesting that someone using LLMs to assist coding, could save themselves the trouble by writing the code by hand. Yes, Firefox could do everything, but then it'd turn back into Mozilla. The whole point of the extensions framework is to allow modular extensibility. And it's much easier to vet for malware than to code afresh and maintain. What stuns me is that most people still use browsers that cannot bl…

Not "everything", just a few common things that almost every user wants.

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Post by tpm »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #43
avaer wrote: post #32

What's funny is that extensions were supposed to be a way to let you do the things the browser didn't want you to do. Guess that was a bit too much freedom for Google to accept, so they had to make a store with a gate, and destroy the APIs so that they're useless. Then they had to make up some reasons to justify that and ram it through the pipeline despite everyone's objections, and the frog got boiled. Now we're bac…

> Then they had to make up some reasons to justify that Hate to be the one to defend Google here, but the reasons weren't that unreasonable. I want my browser to prevent random extensions from directly reading web page data. The declarative API idea is pretty good. It's just that uBlock Origin is so insanely useful, important and trusted, it should get full access to the entire browser regardless. Honestly, it should…

Then don't install them. I want my extensions in my browser on my computer to do whatever I allow them to do and not what's allowed by Google.

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Post by 2b3a51 »

zaik wrote: post #185
firefax wrote: post #175

You can have my ad blocker when you take it from my cold dead fingers. I will literally move to a shack in the woods rather than go back to late 90s level of bullshit advertising.

> move to a shack in the woods That's what gemini:// is for.

And Dillo is the equivalent of a shepherds hut in the back garden.

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Post by Markoff »

1. Vivaldi supports uBlock Origin, if you consider Firefox a "major browser" then sure also Vivaldi and Brave are major browsers

2. while I use uBlock Origin on phone (Firefox) and desktop (Vivaldi), it's overrated, AdGuard works under MV3 AND unlike uBlock supports element picker, so if I was on browser not supporting uBO I would switch to AdGuard since I can't live without element picker

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

Larrikin wrote: post #183
swed420 wrote: post #136

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> You know you can make a browser based on Firefox's core If you want to inherit all of Firefox's flaws, I suppose. > and don't need to make a new one from scratch that'll never get past Cloudflare? Considering Cloudflare is a sponsor of Ladybird, something tells me they're going to grant an exception for it.

What flaws exactly? People on here love to moan about Firefox because Mozilla did one thing at some point in the existence of the company they didn't like. But then just cede the Internet to Google and chromium clones because at some point when they were a crappy junior JS dev, Chrome had some better tooling over Firebug so they just got used to testing in one browser. Maybe they also like to remember how Firefox, a…

People complain about Chrome as often as about psychopaths, because it can't be fixed.

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Post by latexr »

binarin wrote: post #324
KingMob wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I didn't know who Charlie Kirk was, and no facts about DHH other than him being Rails creator. "will never be awesome" is missing some quantifier about US-centricity.

> US-centricity

Andreas Kling is Swedish, DHH is Danish, fascism originated in Europe.

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