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Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Post by inigyou »

rwz wrote: post #144
shooly wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox also collects and sells data to no one really knows who. https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b... https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/update-on-terms-of-use/

I mean sure, but there's a bit of a difference between "sells data to no one really knows who" and "sells data to no one really knows who AND PALANTIR" which the original commenter seem to be flagging as a problem.

"no one really knows who" is probably also Palantir or someone who resells to Palantir.

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Post by bigbadfeline »

swed420 wrote: post #70
deweywsu wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See, this is the kind of thing that makes Firefox cool. They have not only just as good of developer console tools as Chrome, they have forward thinking, truly user-oriented policies. They have had trouble in the recent past at securing funding, but something tells me their user philosophy might save them when all the others turn completely to corporate greed as their main operating mechanism (if they already haven't…

Your reply makes no sense. To the original point, if they had user-oriented policies, they'd have ad-blocking baked in by now. But they don't, and likely never will.

> Your reply makes no sense. To the original point, if they had user-oriented policies, they'd have ad-blocking baked in by now.

It's not black and white, and your inability to see the larger context is disturbing.

You could, by the same logic, criticize Mozilla for not serving you coffee which is certainly a "user-oriented policy" "baked-in" or rather "brewed-in". But we must be realistic about how far UOPs can be stretched, Mozilla is better than the rest, which includes large corps with far more money than them. If you can do better than Mozilla, I'm all ears.

Next, an ad-blocker needs continuous maintenance - someone started a good one long time ago and apparently loves to improve it and maintain the various lists it uses - why should Mozilla strain to compete with one of their best contributors? - that would be both rude and dumb, and they'd be wasting resources too. There's absolutely no upside to your proposition but you keep insisting.

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

sys_64738 wrote: post #107
Andrex wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. The difference between the two is not qualitatively different for 99% of users.

I noticed that UBO Lite doesn't cause the ad boxes to vanish like UBO does. You see this on the likes of the weather.com webpage.

That's manifest V3 working as intended.

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Post by swed420 »

Plont wrote: post #150
swed420 wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The level of mental gymnastics in this thread denying the extent to which companies like Google (and their puppets like Mozilla) control the internet is too damn high. Fortunately if projects like Ladybird gain enough momentum, websites might be forced to cater to it. Time will tell.

They literally didn't deny that. They made a separate point you appear not to have actually read. Regardless, I don't want baked-in Firefox adblocking in part because I don't trust Mozilla with that task either. They'd absolutely end up allowing their own "acceptable" telemetry and ads. Even if they didn't, it would be unlikely to ever be as effective as Ublock Origin. Much like how Chromium browsers' built-in adbloc…

Their separate point was ignored because it was an irrelevant tangent.

> Regardless, I don't want baked-in Firefox adblocking in part because I don't trust Mozilla with that task either.

This is in a thread about how we should be happy that FF is vetting code for us. Do we trust them or don't we?

> And yet, for now, Firefox and Mozilla is by far the lesser evil.

I'm instinctively tempted to agree, but the difference is so negligible at this point that the only sign I would is the fact I'm still using FF due to momentum (as well as Ladybird not being ready from prime time yet).

FF/Mozilla has proven itself to be controlled opposition, so I'm not very interested in games of "lesser-of-two-evils" abuser logic that has infected politics and many other spheres in a race to the bottom.

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

BeetleB wrote: post #35
kulahan wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you think doesn’t work on Firefox? Aside from Google products purposely crippled, everything works just fine in my experience. It’s fast and stable. If there’s a bunch of AI stuff in it, I’ve not seen it. Of course I believe it exists, I just don’t ever read popups anyways. To be fair, I probably use 5% of the browser’s capability (I imagine many are like me). I browse websites and I have UBO installed.

In the last few months, I've seen a huge upsurge of sites that simply won't work for me in Firefox. Not sure if it's the FF + Linux combination. Should probably try with a fresh profile to confirm. It sucks, but I'm in on FF all the way. If much of the web stops working for me, it just means I have more time on my hands!

You can change your UA and add Sec-CH-UA to match Chromium if you want to avoid the (non-ADA compliant) browser bias.

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Post by swed420 »

bigbadfeline wrote: post #152
swed420 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your reply makes no sense. To the original point, if they had user-oriented policies, they'd have ad-blocking baked in by now. But they don't, and likely never will.

> Your reply makes no sense. To the original point, if they had user-oriented policies, they'd have ad-blocking baked in by now. It's not black and white, and your inability to see the larger context is disturbing. You could, by the same logic, criticize Mozilla for not serving you coffee which is certainly a "user-oriented policy" "baked-in" or rather "brewed-in". But we must be realistic about how far UOPs can be s…

> Next, an ad-blocker needs continuous maintenance - someone started a good one long time ago and apparently loves to improve it and maintain the various lists it uses - why should Mozilla strain to compete with one of their best contributors? - that would be both rude and dumb, and they'd be wasting resources too. There's absolutely no upside to your proposition but you keep insisting.

One would hope that's one of the more useful things an LLM could assist with if not now, very soon. In the meantime, there's no reason they couldn't have uBlock kept as an extension but bundled by default like they've done with other functionality over the years. Wait, never mind. There's one rea$on why they wouldn't, and it's already been $tated.

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Post by benatkin »

gurjeet wrote: post #112
GeekyBear wrote: post #21

Firefox is also the only browser that vets uBlock's code on every update to make sure the developer hasn't inserted spyware or malware into the extension. They don't do it for every extension, but they do so for a wide selection of popular options. > Recommended extensions differ from other extensions that are regularly reviewed by Firefox staff in that they are curated extensions that meet the highest standards of s…

Complete, authoritative list of Firefox extensions officially recommended by Mozilla. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search/?promoted=re... Some quite informative discussion on Firefox subreddit when I discovered and posted the above list there a few months ago. https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/1pyvx2v/complete_a... The Recommended Extensions program description: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/k…

I seem to remember TamperMonkey being on there but not ViolentMonkey, which I didn't agree with. However, I see neither of them on there. Both are available but not recommended. I wonder what is going on with that.

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Post by stubish »

swed420 wrote: post #58
GeekyBear wrote: post #21

Firefox is also the only browser that vets uBlock's code on every update to make sure the developer hasn't inserted spyware or malware into the extension. They don't do it for every extension, but they do so for a wide selection of popular options. > Recommended extensions differ from other extensions that are regularly reviewed by Firefox staff in that they are curated extensions that meet the highest standards of s…

> Firefox is also the only browser that vets uBlock's code on every update to make sure the developer hasn't inserted spyware or malware into the extension. They could save themselves the trouble if Firefox simply baked in its own ad-blocking, but since Google basically owns them, we all know that will never happen. Ladybird browser is going to be awesome.

If Firefox baked in ad blocking, they would have to then deal with the financial incentive to make it worse. Sponsored ads, 'good' ads, government announcements, election propaganda... there is a slippery slope they are better off not getting on. A trusted 3rd party from the wider community seems a better option in many ways. The alternative is starting a web browser with a manifesto welded on that essentially states 'death to all advertising', and until that can be crowd funded I can't see that happening in today's world.

What I am surprised about is that none of the browsers or forks have created a specialist plugin API for adblocking and maybe other filtering. Provide what is needed and only that (keeping the surface tiny), and then evolve the general purpose API in the way they need. I don't think we need V2 of the API any more, except for keeping this one absolutely critical plugin working, do we?

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