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Re: Google is making private AI practical with homomorphic encryption

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Post by skybrian »

Cider9986 wrote: post #71
bitpush wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

F. Scott Fitzgerald's test of top-tier intelligence - > Holding two opposing views in the mind means accepting two contradictory ideas at the same time without needing to pick one side or rush to a simple answer I continue to use Apple products because they are top class even though everytime I think of Tim Cook in the Oval Office presenting the gold plaque to the current president, it makes me wanna puke. World isnt…

The reason I mentioned it is because Google seems to have a strange aversion to E2EE. Apple has added the option to iCloud but Google only has one consumer facing E2EE product, Google messages. A password manager is the most obviously important place to use it. I can't name another password manager that isn't.

I'm pretty sure I've seen it sometimes in video calls. But it might only be two-way conversations?

Re: Google is making private AI practical with homomorphic encryption

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Post by mrcwinn »

sabretooth1405 wrote: post #16

My master's thesis is on a topic in this field (Privacy Preserving ML) and from my understanding HE and other techniques have very high overheads(~10^3) on inference tasks and thus aren't very commercially viable.

Sounds like the start of every journey. With all respect to your thesis, I probably put my chips on Google's research and security teams.

Re: Google is making private AI practical with homomorphic encryption

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Post by amelius »

meindnoch wrote: post #80

Great, private AI, at the cost of >1000x the resource usage. Because apparently AI companies weren't already using quite enough energy to cook the planet. The most private AI is the one running on my own hardware, not in some giant data center.

> The most private AI is the one running on my own hardware, not in some giant data center.

I want that too, but you gotta ask yourself the question how efficient that is compared to running it in a datacenter shared with everybody else.

Re: Google is making private AI practical with homomorphic encryption

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Post by [deleted] »

rpedroso wrote: post #73
Cider9986 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason I mentioned it is because Google seems to have a strange aversion to E2EE. Apple has added the option to iCloud but Google only has one consumer facing E2EE product, Google messages. A password manager is the most obviously important place to use it. I can't name another password manager that isn't.

How many customers are using Google Password Manager? How much revenue does it generate? What would it cost to add E2EE? How would it affect the UX? How much revenue would it generate? What projects would have to be de-prioritized to fund this work? I agree, a password manager without E2EE is unusable in my eyes. However, I can also understand the institutional reasons this might be the case. I don't think it reflect…

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Re: Google is making private AI practical with homomorphic encryption

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Post by Cider9986 »

skybrian wrote: post #141
Cider9986 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason I mentioned it is because Google seems to have a strange aversion to E2EE. Apple has added the option to iCloud but Google only has one consumer facing E2EE product, Google messages. A password manager is the most obviously important place to use it. I can't name another password manager that isn't.

I'm pretty sure I've seen it sometimes in video calls. But it might only be two-way conversations?

That was my bad on the complete statement. If I could still edit I would say "that I know of".

Re: Google is making private AI practical with homomorphic encryption

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Post by luckydata »

WarmWash wrote: post #135
bevekspldnw wrote: post #67

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You literally don’t know who I am or the roles I had. So unless you can tell me how many steps you were from Kent Walker and what you worked on I’m gonna bet a hell of a lot I know more than you. Edit to clarify my prior point: some of the technology makes it into the product, but the putative data protections do not. Why? Because there is always a work around, and ads legal will approve it every time.

Google is too internally split up to have a single cohesive "maximize ad revenue" mission, especially now that cloud is the new golden goose and the future of search/advertising is hazy. If cloud can sell compute to enterprise that can only use FHE, then they will not give a fuck if the ad goons are disgruntled about it.

you are 100% correct, this product is to enable things like healthcare and generally AI subscription stuff that otherwise people wouldn't touch because of sensitivity to disclosing sensitive data.

Re: Google is making private AI practical with homomorphic encryption

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Post by garbagewoman »

tomhow wrote: post #140
garbagewoman wrote: post #138

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Ehh, “dumber than a box of rocks” or similar is more hyperbole than dehumanising speech. Dehumanising speech is calling someone something like a cockroach or a rat. Bit of an overreaction here mate

Sure, in isolation, you can dismiss that kind of language as hyperbole and let it pass. But we're talking about a pattern of rhetorical style and substance over several years that they have been warned about several times, but with no evidence of any intent to reform. HN is not intended for this style of discussion, and people who continue to engage it are driving away people who do want to use HN as intended.

Its a pattern of rhetorical style that isn't what a reasonable person would call dehumanising language. Their comments might not be something you think is acceptable for HN, but using that word to describe their comments is a real stretch and devalues the word
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