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Re: Qwen 3.8 27B

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i think you will like luna if you haven't tried it yet

Luna is twice the price of Deepseek V4 Flash 0731, and less capable :/

No way is it less capable. When deepseek can't get its shit together, I give Luna a go, then Terra, then Sol.

Most of the time Luna figures it out where Deepseek was failing. I rarely have to go to Sol levels.

Re: Qwen 3.8 27B

#502
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Absolutely the best pelican I've seen from a model that runs on my laptop: https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer#url=ht... Bicycle is the right shape. Pelican beak is excellent. Nice background. Most importantly, the pelican has one leg on each side of the bicycle - that's very rare. (No chain on this bicycle though - in the reasoning trace it says "already chainstay... skip chain detail; maybe a smal…

What's the result if you ask it for a "pelican equipment case" ? I've been trying the anti-bicycle pelican on some LLMs and the results are much more varied than the bicycle prompt. Some have very different ideas of pelicans (you'll get a small case with one DSLR camera in it, or a long rifle case, etc). You'll also get cases that are isometric view, or flat plane view from the front, or open or closed.

It did a pretty outstanding job on that: https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer.html#u...

This took 56 minutes! - but it didn't have exclusive use of LM Studio, I ran a few other test prompts while it was working.

  llm -m lmstudio/qwen/qwen3.8-27b 'Generate an SVG of a pelican equipment case'

Re: Qwen 3.8 27B

#503

People will claim it's not comparable to Opus despite it beating the score. I'm not sure I disagree, but I'm also unsure whether I care. Most new models nowadays are "good enough". I cannot complain because I'd rather spend that time improving my prompts and docs. Opus might be a _slight bit better_ at picking up vague hints, but it's also extremely expensive, and I hit the 5 hour limit way too quick. I care a lot ab…

> Alibaba Cloud subscriptions are hard to come by

no they aren't. they discontinued their always-sold-out coding plan and launched QwenCloud (basically a friendly frontend with Alibaba Cloud as the hidden backend) and launched typical subscription plans for Qwen & co alongside it.

Re: Qwen 3.8 27B

#504

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Didn't DeepSeek go up 2x?

The price on DeepInfra and most providers on OpenRouter has not changed... if anything, it's gotten cheaper. All of this DeepSeek price increase stuff is related to their specific API, not the entire market.

They were significantly more expensive for coding compared to DeepSeek's offering because of much higher cost of cache reads and lower cache hit rate. Now, after the price jump, the effective cost of deepseek.com API vs 3-rd party providers is about the same.

Re: Qwen 3.8 27B

#505

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You're going to be waiting for a while. Even Fable is bad at this, I would constantly have to fix it going down architectural dead ends or just making obvious mistakes. Which sucks for people that want LLMs to do everything like a genie, but does mean senior engineers have a few more years before they become redundant.

I honestly think we've got about a year tops.

I'd consider a year a while, but then, time is relative.

Re: Qwen 3.8 27B

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Doesn't the director generally receive more credit than the producer? How many films do you remember the producer above the director?

What does it matter who receives more credit? The producer produces the film and the director directs it. If I pick my phone and record a video, I'm now the producer and director of the film and the sole creator of it. If there were multiple people involved in the creation of a film I helped to create, I cannot factually say I created it. Just like if someone builds something using code generated by AI, they can't fa…

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Re: Qwen 3.8 27B

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post #459

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I think it's very clear that someone who has checked out all the models but the one that called itself mechahitler and is explicitly being fine tuned to support far-right politics is making the choice for reasons other than performance and cost. It's not like all the other models even had plausible claims to those metrics.

As I said to a dead reply, for coding all of that is immaterial, as long as it codes well then that's all that matters to most people, except it seems those who have an idelogical issue in which case the other model companies also have issues.

No, coding does not make ethical issues immaterial. Nor does it justify your behavior of harassing someone to do something that they've clearly decided not to do for ethical reasons on the basis of criteria that they have clearly rejected.

Re: Qwen 3.8 27B

#508
post #419

Absolutely the best pelican I've seen from a model that runs on my laptop: https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer#url=ht... Bicycle is the right shape. Pelican beak is excellent. Nice background. Most importantly, the pelican has one leg on each side of the bicycle - that's very rare. (No chain on this bicycle though - in the reasoning trace it says "already chainstay... skip chain detail; maybe a smal…

See, like my comment before. We don’t need the biggest/highest/frotiest model.

Re: Qwen 3.8 27B

#509

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Yes for the first question. Google of all companies didn't even get it right with Gemma for a while until recently. For some reason it doesn't seem like people can actually get these templates right.

Is the chat template used at all when they benchmark the model?

they likely use their internal infra to run benchmarks; aligning external releases with internal environments is always painful and somewhat underincentivized

Re: Qwen 3.8 27B

#510
post #502

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What's the result if you ask it for a "pelican equipment case" ? I've been trying the anti-bicycle pelican on some LLMs and the results are much more varied than the bicycle prompt. Some have very different ideas of pelicans (you'll get a small case with one DSLR camera in it, or a long rifle case, etc). You'll also get cases that are isometric view, or flat plane view from the front, or open or closed.

It did a pretty outstanding job on that: https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer.html#u... This took 56 minutes! - but it didn't have exclusive use of LM Studio, I ran a few other test prompts while it was working. llm -m lmstudio/qwen/qwen3.8-27b 'Generate an SVG of a pelican equipment case'

That is pretty good! It's interesting it chose orange, because that's actually a somewhat rare color for pelican cases. I would say 95% of the ones going around the world right now are either black or FDE (flat dark earth) tan colored. There are some orange ones, for sure, if you google image search "orange pelican case", people use them for emergency/first aid supplies or electronics. But only the smallest ones are available in orange.

It is also worth noting that it shaded the pelican case like it was a product photo taken in a studio, there's a virtual light source above and to the top left corner of it, then shading deeper color of orange as the body area progresses towards the lower right corner.

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