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Considering the clusterfuck that is opus 5 or even fable, if Qwen 27B is trully better than Opus 4.7 Max, I will rejoice.
If it's as good as Sonnet 4.6 for most things I'd be happy.
Same
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#492People will claim it's not comparable to Opus despite it beating the score. I'm not sure I disagree, but I'm also unsure whether I care. Most new models nowadays are "good enough". I cannot complain because I'd rather spend that time improving my prompts and docs. Opus might be a _slight bit better_ at picking up vague hints, but it's also extremely expensive, and I hit the 5 hour limit way too quick. I care a lot ab…
I'm convinced a lot of the anti-open-weight model comments at this point are inorganic traffic - there's trillions in investor money riding on a world where these models aren't cheap commodities. Having actually used things like the recent GLM, Kimi, and Qwen I think any edge the labs have is marginal at most and actually prefer the open weight models in most day to day usage. Anthropic's recent releases are wordy to…
When stuff like this: https://doublespeed.ai/
exists I don't find that hard to believe at all, although it cuts both ways
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Did Steve Jobs create the iPhone?
Would it exist in it’s present form if he didn’t exist?
this topic always goes into this level of ridiculousness. Your question can't even be answered. We should focus more on encouraging discussion, not asking unanswerable questions. It wont bring anything other than points of both sides with no objective correct answer.
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I've worked with a good few types of managers of the years, none would take ownership of my work. The end result? Sure, for shareholders/this managers that is fine. But that's not the same as me being needed to be on a call with integration teams and having to run the call. It's just a layer of abstraction for management. I own the creation side of the product. Who created it is still me.
Did Steve Jobs create the iPhone?
No, he did not. When it went wrong for v4 with the radio. I didn't see him take the blame.
Re: Qwen 3.8 27B
#495Image->html test for this. Original images: https://image.non.io/neonRamenDesigns.webp Qwen 3.8 build: https://html.non.io/neonRamenQwen3.8-27b Overall I'm very impressed with how well this did. It's a big improvement over 3.6, and it feels on-par with some much, much larger models. I think this one is on-par with Gemini 3.7 Flash. One thing to note - the build for this on my RTX 6000 pro blackwell took a long time.…
what token/s?
27 t/s. I suspect there will be significant speed ups in the coming weeks.
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There have been plenty of workshops where artists hire assistant painters while maintaining authorship over the works themselves, from Rembrandt to Warhol to Hirst.
Sure - and a factual statement would be, these artists hired assistant artists to help them create their paintings. Just like it would be factual to say that the person directed a LLM to build an app for them.
Sure. So does this diminish the role of Rembrandt? Or is this some semantic black hole you’re drawing us into?
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i think you will like luna if you haven't tried it yet
Luna is twice the price of Deepseek V4 Flash 0731, and less capable :/
With max reasoning, Luna is actually less than half the actual cost to run compared to DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 with updated prices (based on Artificial Analysis Cost per Task)
Re: Qwen 3.8 27B
#498People will claim it's not comparable to Opus despite it beating the score. I'm not sure I disagree, but I'm also unsure whether I care. Most new models nowadays are "good enough". I cannot complain because I'd rather spend that time improving my prompts and docs. Opus might be a _slight bit better_ at picking up vague hints, but it's also extremely expensive, and I hit the 5 hour limit way too quick. I care a lot ab…
I'm convinced a lot of the anti-open-weight model comments at this point are inorganic traffic - there's trillions in investor money riding on a world where these models aren't cheap commodities. Having actually used things like the recent GLM, Kimi, and Qwen I think any edge the labs have is marginal at most and actually prefer the open weight models in most day to day usage. Anthropic's recent releases are wordy to…
Opus is pretty dumb and lazy nowadays, cancelled my subscription.
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You sound like your trying to reassure yourself of something. I sure hope my boss doesn't think he built my work! He'd probably get fired pretty quickly during on call!
> I sure hope my boss doesn't think he built my work! He'd probably get fired pretty quickly during on call! Your boss is a human. This is a computer program running on your PC. I hope you can see the difference.
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IMO AI companies are selling the infrastructure and easier access to the models, beyond competing to get the smarter model. We can run Qwen locally, but at what cost? A good enough GPU for running 27B is more than 4,000 USD where I live (Brazil). Even if I were to spend 100s of hours in credits I would never reach a point where the 4000 USD investment pays off. Unless I'm doing it for the sport, building my own LLM r…
> RTX 3090 for each and every employee That’s quite inefficient. Get 2x RTX 6000 Pro and run DeepSeek v4 Flash for the whole company. This may or may not be cost effective compared to cheap third party providers, but it lets you own your own data, is not actually that expensive, and reports suggest that you can get 2k tok/s or so from a setup like this (at respectable batch size, but that’s exactly what you want in t…
What would the time to first token be on a setup like this?