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> Anything you think hn doesn't know about deepseek that it should? We do hire people who are currently located outside of China (say North America, Europe, or anywhere) if they're open to work in our Beijing or Hangzhou offices.

Best way to apply?

ning.wang@deepseek.com

Re: DeepSeek Harness developer preview

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Wouldn't many potential users in China be limited by the Great Firewall?

Can't find a single person in a Chinese tech company who doesn't know how to bypass GFW.

I am not asking about capability. Aren't there reasons to avoid the scrutiny that might accompany bypassing the Great Firewall? Doesn't this create a chilling effect? Or are you claiming that it has zero effect and citizens of China have zero concerns about using websites and speaking freely?

Re: DeepSeek Harness developer preview

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Can't find a single person in a Chinese tech company who doesn't know how to bypass GFW.

I am not asking about capability. Aren't there reasons to avoid the scrutiny that might accompany bypassing the Great Firewall? Doesn't this create a chilling effect? Or are you claiming that it has zero effect and citizens of China have zero concerns about using websites and speaking freely?

> Aren't there reasons to avoid the scrutiny that might accompany bypassing the Great Firewall?

One of the reasons to bypass GFW is to avoid scrutiny.

> Doesn't this create a chilling effect?

It doesn't.

> Or are you claiming that it has zero effect and citizens of China have zero concerns about using websites and speaking freely?

Not “zero”, maybe like “0.01”? Better use an anonymous account if you want to criticize on gov.

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I am not asking about capability. Aren't there reasons to avoid the scrutiny that might accompany bypassing the Great Firewall? Doesn't this create a chilling effect? Or are you claiming that it has zero effect and citizens of China have zero concerns about using websites and speaking freely?

> Aren't there reasons to avoid the scrutiny that might accompany bypassing the Great Firewall? One of the reasons to bypass GFW is to avoid scrutiny. > Doesn't this create a chilling effect? It doesn't. > Or are you claiming that it has zero effect and citizens of China have zero concerns about using websites and speaking freely? Not “zero”, maybe like “0.01”? Better use an anonymous account if you want to criticize…

This has not been my experience working with Chinese citizens. They are mostly very aware that they cannot speak freely.

Re: DeepSeek Harness developer preview

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post #192

What's buried under the lede: this harness is using Cordis v4 (the paper that dropped today). Cordis has already been used for four years in a different project called Koishi that uses v3. Cordis itself is a way of hot loading and unloading plugins without restarting a running process. The cool part is that when it unloads it can revert any state and side effects it created, cleaning up its connections, memory alloca…

As far as I can find, Cordis didn't exist before they shared it with this harness. It is very likely that its because I didn't search in Chinese (as I don't know it). Can you explain the evolution of it from the different versions?

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post #145

47mb downloaded, 1.5gb after build, wtf? I consider my own coding agent bloated at just 1mb (yes 1mb) because it uses postgresql package as db tool, and it works wonders. * edit 1: Upon further scrutiny, 35 dependencies make up for 1.4gb, what they are for? I don't even see postgres in there so I guess that would be another plugin. 1.5gb of basic functionality? * edit 2: Most of the time I use the terminal but also d…

yeah, the build took 3 minutes on my macbook air. what's in this thing?

Found the culprits, anthropic and openai models are 250mb each. So if we use only deepseek I guess it should be ok to remove them, but still some tests to do just in case

Re: DeepSeek Harness developer preview

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Agreed that it is a killer feature. US models obfuscate the COT (to A. make it look better and B. combat distillation) but > and the raw trace is fairly hard to reason about > but I still think this kind of feature is a big step in the right direction.

Can you explain how COT is essential to distillation and why obfuscating it helps defend against distillation? Or point me in the right direction in terms of what to read.

This might be helpful https://arxiv.org/abs/2608.09867

Re: DeepSeek Harness developer preview

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I really like the json schemas around the tool calls. Much stricter validation than in codex. Git might be worth adding to the top level. Currently you've got LSP, grep, glob nicely structured for non-mutating queries across a codebase, but git is behind bash and that means hope or sandboxing. Thank you for uploading it. Gives a lot of insight into how the deepseek models might expect tool calls to be structured.

I don’t like it. Structures responses really do not work well with LLMs at all. They are one of the biggest causes of issues with tool calling right now.

Agree with sibling. If you're getting severely deteriorated results with structured output, you're probably doing something wrong. There's been some research on the impact of structured outputs on results distribution, and there are tradeoffs, but "do not work well at all" doesn't match the experience at large.

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it was funny. and it's a matter of pride that they accused you of being AI.

Maybe, like sarcasm, this kind of joke would be easier to appreciate if tagged somehow. I think everyone agrees the internet is drowning in AI slop. That makes the joke hard to appreciate on its own.

They were impersonating an AI. You wouldn't complain that a comic started impersonating a celebrity without saying "I'm going to impersonate X now" first.
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