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Yes - unusually (uniquely?) bad for an official API. Which is a real bummer because it’s otherwise solid with excellent caching.
My feelings are kind of split about it. On one hand, yes, I don't like it when a company essentially go through my history, train with it, and try to earn more profits for themselves based on what I've "unwillingly contributed". But then on the other hand, I also know that DeepSeek will release the weights they train (and publish new architecture upgrades) so me and others can download them and run them ourselves, as…
I know it's more complicated than that, with economics and privacy factors involved. But if I operate on the assumption that real privacy is real hard I'd rather just be guarded and careful with my prompts and whatever output I give to the LLM and expect that it will be training on that, rather than spill all my darkest secrets to some other LLM provider that pinkie-promises privacy only to leak it publicly later, anyway.
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Makes sense. 60% of the world's population is in Asia and software professionals in Asia are much more likely to prioritize affordable models like DeepSeek over expensive Western ones
Not sure they even have a choice.
Anthropic doesn't allow Claude in China and neither does OpenAI. But the rest of Asia certainly has a choice. Unless you mean socioeconomically. Also there's plenty of loopholes people in China can use to still access those models
Interesting to see that peak hours are work hours in China, night in the US and Europe, and also morning in Europe. So Deepseek's customers are mostly domestic.
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Not sure they even have a choice.
Yep they don’t have a choice
If you buy Claude api access through a third party Chinese company, it's cheaper than when you buy directly.
Beside it would go against the Chinese philosophy of just using the right tool for the job. If Claude is better at a task than deepseek, they sure use Claude.
No really I don't get your claim, do you have any proof that you can source ??
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> EDIT: formatting Keep at it, I believe in you.
My apologies to any mobile users, but for the desktop folk: Provider, Model Billing Input Output Cache read Cache write DeepSeek V4-Flash Old $0.1400 $0.2800 $0.0028 - V4-Flash New Off-Peak $0.2200 (1.6x) $0.6600 (2.4x) $0.0070 (2.5x) - V4-Flash New Peak $0.4400 (3.1x) $1.3200 (4.7x) $0.0140 (5.0x) - V4-Pro Old $0.4350 $0.8700 $0.0036 - V4-Pro New Off-Peak $0.6600 (1.5x) $1.9800 (2.3x) $0.0220 (6.1x) - V4-Pro New Pea…
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That’s an interesting thing to think about. Still, it’s important for us to remind ourselves that “looks very slightly like” is not the same as the real thing. The A in AI stands for artificial. The summary of this paper describes my sentiment in better words than I have: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-025-05868-8 It’s very easy for the average person to mistake linguistic ability and simulated problem solvin…
Without knowing what makes consciousness possible, the paper cannot justify biology as necessary - it mistakes a lack of evidence for conscious AI for proof that conscious AI is impossible. I do not believe current AI or LLMs are conscious, but there is no proof one way or another that they can or cannot be. The paper authors are making up their own definitions and building an argument from them
Consciousness is defined in the human context. We can just say “hey buddy that’s not biological enough to qualify.”
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It mostly hurts people in countries with weak purchasing power. DS was the main game in down for them. Personally, I don't think we've seen the total end of dirt cheap LLMs, it's just a frontier lab doesn't want to be in business of serving half the world.
Thank you for bringing that up, such a rarity for this place to remember the other 80% of the world. As someone from just such a country, DeepSeek 0731 was the first time I seriously started using an LLM for coding. All previous attempts were useless or ridiculously expensive. Can't say the old prices felt "free", but it was affordable if you're careful with your cache hit rate. The new pricing probably pushed it int…