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Re: Qwen 3.8 27B

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I think I am going to buy a second rtx 3060, as 27B has been just outside of my range for to long, and this looks like the parameter count tipping point

Running it on 2x3060 now. Works pretty well but VRAM is tight. 4bit quants. 1x128k context, 8bit KV, MTP on.

Re: Qwen 3.8 27B

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if I hire an artist and am a motivated individual, have an idea for a painting, have background knowledge about paintings and have taste in paintings and can offer a critique of the painting as the artist paints it, then somehow I created the painting? Absurd logic. The AI built the website.

I think in that case it's fair to say you created the painting with the artist, even if the artist should get majority credit. I don't like the analogy though, to me it feels more like you're a project manager directing a team of genius but single minded interns.

I've never encountered a project manager who has said: I built this thing, after a project has wrapped up. I have encountered ones who've said I managed this project.

Re: Qwen 3.8 27B

#293

I hope really badly that we'll get a new 35B A3B or similar MoE model! I also miss the Qwen 3 Coder Next, which was 80B A3B, there are quite a few use cases where a non-dense model Also alternate link for viewing the images without signing in: https://xcancel.com/Alibaba_Qwen/status/2088280182356611304

I'm still confused about Qwen 3.6 35B A3B. Everything I read said that the 27B model performs better at coding tasks, so what's the purpose of the 35B model?

Runs faster on bad hardware.

Re: Qwen 3.8 27B

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I'm sure everyone on r/cursor or in previous HN threads about Grok 4.5 or 4.6 are all unserious and insane. No one actually cares about the politics as long as the model codes well. Edit, quite interesting to see the reception to this comment compared to essentially the same type of comment I made on a Grok 4.6 benchmark HN post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49275385#49275571 It's true that Cursor gives…

This is the “Mussolini made the trains run on time” of ai hot takes. (Btw, mussolini didn’t make the trains run on time)

"Sure I'm indirectly funding the erosion of basic human rights in the States, but at least I made my Hello World app cheaper!"

Re: Qwen 3.8 27B

#295
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The file "Just loads" on llama.cpp, the Unsloth https://huggingface.co/unsloth/Qwen3.8-27B-GGUF is an MTP file, I see mostly the same speed on pp and generation. There has to be something wrong with those benchmarks, I find extremely hard to believe a 27B model can work similar or exceed opus 4.6.

I think you've been drinking the "LLMs only improve by adding parameter counts" that SOTA labs are selling VCs to build data centers so they can keep eating through cash to their own benefits. To the countrary, the reason Chinese models are excelling in the smaller area is because there's tons of fat in closed source models because of the crazy cash being thrown around. There absolutely is space to improve intelligen…

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Re: Qwen 3.8 27B

#296

I wonder if Anthropic and OpenAI possibly missed the window to go public. A 27B open-weight model trading blows with the SOTA from just half a year ago is not great news for trillion-dollar investments...

Trading blows in some benchmarks is a bit exaggerated. If you try the model, `xhigh` is basically feels like the `max` mode (i.e. massive thinker and extremely presistent), and the amount of world knowledge and intent understanding is nowhere close to an Opus class model even from 6mo ago.

It's still very useful, and it'll probably displace a good bit of API spend; but it's not really "trading blows with SOTA from just a half year ago". A bit overblown on the Anthropic/OpenAI has missed the window I reckon.

Also, on the open weight frontier side, Kimi K3 is pretty expensive, and Deepseek V4 Pro/Flash is getting a little less juicy with price increases.

Re: Qwen 3.8 27B

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People will claim it's not comparable to Opus despite it beating the score. I'm not sure I disagree, but I'm also unsure whether I care. Most new models nowadays are "good enough". I cannot complain because I'd rather spend that time improving my prompts and docs. Opus might be a _slight bit better_ at picking up vague hints, but it's also extremely expensive, and I hit the 5 hour limit way too quick. I care a lot ab…

i think you will like luna if you haven't tried it yet

Luna is twice the price of Deepseek V4 Flash 0731, and less capable :/

Re: Qwen 3.8 27B

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Since it might be helpful to some, here's my current commandline for llama.cpp running on an RTX 4090 with my monitor moved to the iGPU to free up all of its VRAM. llama-server -m Qwen3.8-27B-IQ4_NL.gguf --mmproj mmproj-BF16.gguf -c 170000 --parallel 1 -ngl -1 --cache-type-k q8_0 --cache-type-v q8_0 -b 1024 -ub 512 --flash-attn on --no-context-shift --no-mmproj-offload --spec-type draft-mtp --spec-draft-n-max 5 --spe…

> --cache-type-k q8_0 --cache-type-v q8_0 In my tests, even Q8 quantization for the KV cache comes with notable drops in performance for longer tasks. It does provide more context length in limited RAM budgets, but the longer context tasks are where KV quantization starts to show problems. It’s basically unnoticeable for simple and short tasks. > --spec-draft-n-max 5 5 is a lot of tokens to draft. Are you really seei…

I have found that q8 kv quantisation is really bad in anything requiring some kind of literal retrieval even at relatively shorter contexts (5-10k). Eg it would mess up names, titles of papers etc that were deeper in the context.

Re: Qwen 3.8 27B

#299

I hope really badly that we'll get a new 35B A3B or similar MoE model! I also miss the Qwen 3 Coder Next, which was 80B A3B, there are quite a few use cases where a non-dense model Also alternate link for viewing the images without signing in: https://xcancel.com/Alibaba_Qwen/status/2088280182356611304

I'm still confused about Qwen 3.6 35B A3B. Everything I read said that the 27B model performs better at coding tasks, so what's the purpose of the 35B model?

It's better for VRAM poor people. I get 4-5 t/s with 27B and 20-30 t/s with 35B A3B.

Re: Qwen 3.8 27B

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Can anyone who has that specific personal test he tries on different models , and tries this model , to tell us here if possible , how good or bad is this new model ? compared to others ? I only trust those users genuine personal tests

There is a down to earth guy on YT that performs a series of tests against LLMs running on non-god-tier commodity hardware. He will likely be testing this soon enough. https://www.youtube.com/@lukesdevlab I don't know if that is what you are looking for or not and as always your experiences may be different.

So much potential for that channel. He's got a nice range of tests and a no nonsense presentation style.

However, watching tests of heavily quantized models that weren't designed for it (non-QAT) is frustrating. There's no way to tell if the actual model fails because it's dumb or if the lobotomy made it that way.

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