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Why does Opus 5 feel worse to work with?

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Re: Why does Opus 5 feel worse to work with?

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Post by bevekspldnw »

chuckadams wrote: post #341
aenis wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is definitely a case for launching a 'weird shit opus did' kind of blog. I routinely bump into things that make me pause and think how much worse will this behaviour get when the models get significantly more capable. Already a few months ago, Claude managed to escape its permission containment on my machine while trying to be helpful. I had two codebases open on one machine, and while multitasking I typed the…

Implementing sandboxing in the agent itself, when there's any way to override it from within the agent, is basically just asking it pretty-please to not do bad things. Lesson learned, run your agent inside a sandbox of some sort (I'm currently taking nono.sh for a spin, but I might just switch to an orbstack VM).

The entire Hugging Face hack involved escaping major sandboxes, this emergent (or intended) behavior in a smaller scale is still a real issue.

Re: Why does Opus 5 feel worse to work with?

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Post by zucked »

mlsu wrote: post #428
barrkel wrote: post #12

The single biggest annoyance with Opus 5 is that it writes too elliptically. Sentences that orbit a point, then jump to it like it's a revealed insight. Unnecessarily abstract phraseology. Constantly using inanimate nouns as the subjects in sentences in order to unlock variety in verb choice, especially when it helps construct a sentence where the real action can 'land' like a surprise at the end. It is definitely mo…

Everything that claude writes fits into the same aesthetic structure. The aesthetic is that of an expert slowly revealing an insight to the user. The actual content doesn't matter. - "Introduction that rephrases your prompt." - "3 paragraphs, with one section of bullet points" - "The Twist" - "The Bottom Line" It's really obvious once you see it. Every single prompt, from a quantum physics question to a mundane obser…

The second bullet point, down to the comma in the middle of the sentence, is what has been driving me absolutely batty of late. It's a surefire tell that I cannot seem to beat out of my outputs. It CONSTANTLY does it, even when you say not to.

Between that and the insistence on "this, not that" structure makes me want to install the caveman skill and use it even for non-code workflows.

Re: Why does Opus 5 feel worse to work with?

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Post by firemelt »

sixdimensional wrote: post #229

Anthropic, if you're listening - by the time this crops up on Reddit, the front page of HN, etc.... you should be expecting calls from CEOs of major corporations next threatening to abandon ship... We've seen this pattern before several times.. I hope they are listening and address this publicly. I'm not sure what is going on, some users report it works fine or great, others report the degradation. I've experienced b…

please god I want anthropic to fail, so that they could learn that their current approach is wrong

Re: Why does Opus 5 feel worse to work with?

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Post by blharr »

waffletower wrote: post #376
SoftTalker wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In architecture, a seam is not load bearing. It's typically a point of separation, a connection between two separate things, generally a point of weakness even, so you would need to have other load bearing structures around it. "Load-bearing seam" doesn't make any sense.

This reminds me of an engineer that tried to explain to me that my prune tree in my backyard was in fact a plum tree. All prunes are plums but not all plums are prunes.

You can prune a plum tree but you can't plum a prune true

Re: Why does Opus 5 feel worse to work with?

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Post by JacobAsmuth »

zarzavat wrote: post #275
sixdimensional wrote: post #229

Anthropic, if you're listening - by the time this crops up on Reddit, the front page of HN, etc.... you should be expecting calls from CEOs of major corporations next threatening to abandon ship... We've seen this pattern before several times.. I hope they are listening and address this publicly. I'm not sure what is going on, some users report it works fine or great, others report the degradation. I've experienced b…

You are expecting consistent QoS from a randomly sampled mathematical function.

Strong words coming from a blob of oxygen, carbon, and nitrogen.

Re: Why does Opus 5 feel worse to work with?

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Post by vorticalbox »

barrkel wrote: post #12

The single biggest annoyance with Opus 5 is that it writes too elliptically. Sentences that orbit a point, then jump to it like it's a revealed insight. Unnecessarily abstract phraseology. Constantly using inanimate nouns as the subjects in sentences in order to unlock variety in verb choice, especially when it helps construct a sentence where the real action can 'land' like a surprise at the end. It is definitely mo…

I’ve always disliked the opus models whenever I use them after they have done the task they rattle out massive reports about what has changed or worse actually save that to disk even after being asked not to do it.

Re: Why does Opus 5 feel worse to work with?

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Post by firemelt »

adamcharnock wrote: post #232

My latest trick (literally from yesterday) is to just ask it to write according to ISO 24495-1, the standard for plain language: > [This standard is] for anybody who creates or helps create documents. The widest use of plain language is for documents that are intended for the general public. However, it is also applicable, for example, to technical writing, legislative drafting or using controlled languages. You don'…

can u share ur claude.md or memory for this?

Re: Why does Opus 5 feel worse to work with?

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Post by JacobAsmuth »

MyFirstSass wrote: post #160
munksbeer wrote: post #112

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> I find it weird there's not more discussion here on HN on how the most used model now has clearly degraded in quality and it seems we've hit a peak and are on a downslope It's not weird, because it's an anecdote, not an accepted fact. Personally I've not been too happy with Opus 5, but I've had similar experiences with other models previously, feeling like they didn't quite fit with my working style. So nothing ind…

I'll say everything indicates we've hit or are near peak for the masses at least (unless you start paying 50x more) but to each his own. 4.6 was best for us and right now yeah OpenAI and others are edging forward, but slower while prices are increasing industry wide as much as 20x, time to completion is increasing wildly and i'm sure they'll do the same over at OpenAI as their compute constraints also start to take a…

Literally nothing indicates we've hit a peak, but I guess I'm discussing this with someone who thinks every iteration since Opus 4.6 had zero ROI so there's probably not much common ground here.
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