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Re: Qwen 3.8 27B

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Beats Opus 4.7 Max (w/ Claude Code) on DeepSWE (42.2 vs 40). Looks like Qwen's 27B models continue to pack some punch. Unsloth's GGUF quants are up: https://huggingface.co/unsloth/Qwen3.8-27B-GGUF

Is there any advantage to using the model from Unsloth compared with https://huggingface.co/Qwen/Qwen3.8-27B-FP8 ?

if you have the VRAM, use offical release. quantized model lose focus after long context and can do damages or thinking loop

Re: Qwen 3.8 27B

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> Beats Opus 4.7 Max I'm a huge open model fan, and have used them since forever, even have daily drivers for on-prem dev, but no. They do not beat opus on real-world usage. Qwen models are impressively good for what they are, are "good enough" for plenty tasks, can be ran locally on decently priced hardware, and so on. They certainly have their uses, and the field in general has advanced faster than my early expecta…

> They do not beat opus on real-world usage We have an internal eval that measures performance on tasks for a handful of embedded systems repos for our mmWave radios (mostly Rust, some C for microcontroller stuff). Qwen3.6-27B scores only 4% lower for pass@1, n=250 compared to Opus-4.8. For the labeled dataset, the average PR size they're being measured against is around 1.5k SLOC. This is very much "real-world usage…

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Re: Qwen 3.8 27B

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> llama server where the model is, which context size to use, what to use for the K/V cache quant, that it should do MTP, tune some MTP parameters, and that's kinda it. isn't that the hard part? You know the ballpark ideal values for these many parameters since you're a knowledgeable expert but the vast majority of people are just like "I want AI" and have no idea what all the jargon even means.

Why would they wish to handcraft this ? That is what agents are for ? They could ask your current agent to a) search for this type of content online for the optimal setup for their hardware b) have the current agent/harness spin it up have it verify the config run few experiments. Sure AI may make mistakes, or won't get the best possible config probably, but it certainly do a good enough setup, this is a task with fe…

> Why would they wish to handcraft this ?

Because this is kinda the one new thing that arrived in the technology scene, so getting at least some amount of understanding of its "inner" workings might prove useful in the future.

Beside that, it is also just.. interesting? It's fun tuning the machine to see it improve. For some, anyway.

Re: Qwen 3.8 27B

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> I've settled on GLM-5.3 (formerly Deepseek v4 pro 0813) for architecting Dude, GLM-5.3 released _today_. The phrasing "I've settled on" is incorrect for this context.

hence the "former deepseek v4 pro". I tried it out this morning and have had no complaints. I already liked glm 5.2

> Deepseek v4 pro 0813

Which itself released yesterday? You're writing, reading, and evaluating enough software in a ~36 hour period to form, reject, and form another opinion about which model makes better _architectural_ choices?

Re: Qwen 3.8 27B

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Since it might be helpful to some, here's my current commandline for llama.cpp running on an RTX 4090 with my monitor moved to the iGPU to free up all of its VRAM. llama-server -m Qwen3.8-27B-IQ4_NL.gguf --mmproj mmproj-BF16.gguf -c 170000 --parallel 1 -ngl -1 --cache-type-k q8_0 --cache-type-v q8_0 -b 1024 -ub 512 --flash-attn on --no-context-shift --no-mmproj-offload --spec-type draft-mtp --spec-draft-n-max 5 --spe…

Lol at that command. Why is this stuff so hard to run locally? I've spent a few days trying to figure it all out and haven't been able to. LM Studio doesn't work behind proxies. Ollama is confusing and doesn't seem to support Qwen3? And Llama.cpp is your command. I just want to run ` ` with some default parameters set and for it to run locally.

just tell claude/codex "set this up on my system $huggingfacelink"

Re: Qwen 3.8 27B

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just to clarify. yes YOU built it. just because you used some tool doesn't mean the idea, prompting, reprompting, babysitting was not your creative input and effort. put differently, if you put a random person infront of whatever model you used (say, a 50yo receptionist at a pharmacy in india), they would not have been able to create that, because they would have lacked the motivation, idea, background knowledge, tas…

So if I hire an artist and am a motivated individual, have an idea for a painting, have background knowledge about paintings and have taste in paintings and can offer a critique of the painting as the artist paints it, then somehow I created the painting? Absurd logic. The AI built the website.

I think in that case it's fair to say you created the painting with the artist, even if the artist should get majority credit. I don't like the analogy though, to me it feels more like you're a project manager directing a team of genius but single minded interns.

Re: Qwen 3.8 27B

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Beats Opus 4.7 Max (w/ Claude Code) on DeepSWE (42.2 vs 40). Looks like Qwen's 27B models continue to pack some punch. Unsloth's GGUF quants are up: https://huggingface.co/unsloth/Qwen3.8-27B-GGUF

In the local LLM communities there is a lot of respect for the Qwen models, but everyone comes to acknowledge that they do a lot of benchmaxxing after using them. Even at full precision they're never as good as models with similar benchmarks.

Re: Qwen 3.8 27B

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According to this shitty vibecoded thing "I" built https://hypfer.github.io/will-it-fit-llama-cpp/ (and I guess according to math too), FP16 K/V would give me something like 90k context at the same model quant, which doesn't really fit my usage. But maybe someone else has experience to share there

just to clarify. yes YOU built it. just because you used some tool doesn't mean the idea, prompting, reprompting, babysitting was not your creative input and effort. put differently, if you put a random person infront of whatever model you used (say, a 50yo receptionist at a pharmacy in india), they would not have been able to create that, because they would have lacked the motivation, idea, background knowledge, tas…

Some people will now argue it was the chisel—not Michelangelo—who created David.

Re: Qwen 3.8 27B

#209
post #8

Beats Opus 4.7 Max (w/ Claude Code) on DeepSWE (42.2 vs 40). Looks like Qwen's 27B models continue to pack some punch. Unsloth's GGUF quants are up: https://huggingface.co/unsloth/Qwen3.8-27B-GGUF

I wish each quant was benchmarked on the same tests as the original network so we could compare their performance

When I tested various eval benchmarks on Qwen3.5/3.6 27B with Unsloth's quants, the scores usually dropped 0-5% between UD-Q6 and UD-Q3 depending on the eval.

Re: Qwen 3.8 27B

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Why would they wish to handcraft this ? That is what agents are for ? They could ask your current agent to a) search for this type of content online for the optimal setup for their hardware b) have the current agent/harness spin it up have it verify the config run few experiments. Sure AI may make mistakes, or won't get the best possible config probably, but it certainly do a good enough setup, this is a task with fe…

> Why would they wish to handcraft this ? Because this is kinda the one new thing that arrived in the technology scene, so getting at least some amount of understanding of its "inner" workings might prove useful in the future. Beside that, it is also just.. interesting? It's fun tuning the machine to see it improve. For some, anyway.

The people OP mentioned about "just want AI" .

The pain point they raised is this is too complicated for people who just want to get started, that is not true anymore.

It is certainly fun to fine-tune and setup if you like do something like that, however the need to do it hardly is a barrier for those who don't want complexity as OP imagines.

Lower level API/interfaces should not be a barrier for people if they are apply framing that way. More and more people are thinking agent native so this is not really a issue.

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