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Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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dcminter wrote: post #231
bee_rider wrote: post #114

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> Plus, isn't this website undissmissably "better in the app" after a few minutes of attempting to use it on a phone? Where's that at? This is the most annoying thing on the internet. There’s a site I’d like to use, but “try the app” takes up the entire page (and appears to be impossible to dismiss?). Actually, is there a way to permanently request the desktop site for all future visits to a domain on iOS? There is n…

eBay stops me from typing in the thing I want to search for so they can try to persuade me to use the app that I have expressed zero interest in for a decade or so. Guys, I'm trying to press money into your thieving little hands - why are you trying to stop me?

Reminds me of Austin Powers:

21! Blackjack,

"Hit me!"

"...but Austin!"

"I also like to live, dangerously."

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gtowey wrote: post #269
ryandrake wrote: post #214

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That's the real problem. Being aggressively annoying works . Dark patterns work. Popups that grab your attention work. Flashing text conveying urgency works. Thumbnails with open-mouth YouTube-face work. Moving buttons around so people mis-click works. Tiny [X] buttons that make people accidentally click an ad work. You're never going to convince someone to stop doing something that is making them money.

Yes, but on whom does it work? Does it work because you're taking advantage of a group of people who are extremely vulnerable to manipulation? People who already struggle with impulse control, who are prone to making bad financial decisions? The elderly, kids? We have to escape this mentality that anything that makes money is valid, that the money itself is the validation of "rightness". Some of us, just some think t…

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Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by rcxdude »

pie_flavor wrote: post #306
rcxdude wrote: post #243

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No, it doesn't. If it's reasonably expected as part of the service, you don't need to gather consent. It's not even personal data.

The law does not say 'reasonably expected', it says 'strictly necessary'.

Sorry, getting my GDPR and e-privacy terms mixed up. The cookie is strictly necessary for the setting to be saved. The user has specifically requested that the setting be saved by changing it. The opinion suggests this should be a session cookie unless you indicate somewhere prominently next to the setting that it uses cookies to store it for longer. This still doesn't require a cookie banner.

What's more, if the 'cookie' is entirely local (i.e. it's never sent back to your own server, e.g. you're using the local storage API and the javascript on your page never puts that information into a request), like how this would normally be implemented nowadays, then these requirements don't apply at all (because a cookie according to the law is just something your server gives to the user's device and then the device gives back later).

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by LastTrain »

RivieraKid wrote: post #14

The cookie thing, I assume it's EU-only, is an example of the EU policy making process being fundamentally broken in some way. If you create a flawed policy and don't fix it many years after it's very visibly obvious that it's a bad policy, something is really wrong.

The banners force sites to divulge that they are tracking you in a very obvious way. It’s fucking great and site owners can make it go away any time they want by choosing not to tack their users.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by runlaszlorun »

alex1138 wrote: post #273
jchw wrote: post #95

Should load much slower. Also, where is the unrelated autoplaying video that will unmute if you actually click it, that follows your scrolling and only becomes smaller when you dismiss it? Plus, it should probably have text that cuts off letting you know you can have access for just $10/month. Plus, isn't this website undissmissably "better in the app" after a few minutes of attempting to use it on a phone? Where's t…

Tribunals at the Hague. (Not for this website, which is obviously a joke/telling commentary. I mean for real 'fucking websites'.)

Web Crimes Tribunals

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by gofreddygo »

jchw wrote: post #95

Should load much slower. Also, where is the unrelated autoplaying video that will unmute if you actually click it, that follows your scrolling and only becomes smaller when you dismiss it? Plus, it should probably have text that cuts off letting you know you can have access for just $10/month. Plus, isn't this website undissmissably "better in the app" after a few minutes of attempting to use it on a phone? Where's t…

Every. SINGLE. Recipe website.

Just search for anything like "egg omelette recipe". Click *any* link for example [1].

[1]: https://www.loveandlemons.com/omelette-recipe/

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by skrebbel »

PerryUlyssesCox wrote: post #83
skrebbel wrote: post #21

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Bullshit. There’s no need to track every visitor. Just stop tracking and you don’t need a cookie banner. The only mistake EU policymakers made was underestimating how willing companies were to deface their websites.

"Every time you visit the websites managed by the European Commission, you will be prompted to accept or refuse cookies." https://european-union.europa.eu/cookies_en

Wow this is terrible and embarrassing.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by kmoser »

dcminter wrote: post #231
bee_rider wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Plus, isn't this website undissmissably "better in the app" after a few minutes of attempting to use it on a phone? Where's that at? This is the most annoying thing on the internet. There’s a site I’d like to use, but “try the app” takes up the entire page (and appears to be impossible to dismiss?). Actually, is there a way to permanently request the desktop site for all future visits to a domain on iOS? There is n…

eBay stops me from typing in the thing I want to search for so they can try to persuade me to use the app that I have expressed zero interest in for a decade or so. Guys, I'm trying to press money into your thieving little hands - why are you trying to stop me?

They see it as a win because you've still been using their site for a decade now, and every time they advertise their app there's still a non-zero chance you'll relent, but if they stop pushing their app, that chance drops to zero.

The only winning move is not to play.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by frollogaston »

qurren wrote: post #182
dgellow wrote: post #176

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GDPR applies to EU citizens data. It doesn’t matter where your business is located in the world, if you process European personal data you’re on the hook. Of course you can decide to ignore and argue the EU doesn’t have jurisdiction

Exactly, they don't have jurisdiction outside their borders. If you don't have a presence there, they cannot subject you to their laws. 1. When is the last time you saw China enforcing its laws outside their borders? Why would EU be any different? 2. China has laws that are directly contradictory to GDPR laws; you may be required to retain data regardless of consent; if your website is based in China you have to foll…

If you have any presence in the EU, you can be on the hook for EU customers visiting your non-bannered US site.
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